Tua vs Tyson.

Go watch round 12 again and you'll see Tinkerbell Tyson do a jig when Smith lands a right hand.... :good

 

I didn't say he backed away. He got a taste of Lewis' power which made him more wary and eventually just gave up.

 

i just watched the Lewis Tua fight, Lewis took no chances and beat Tua just by his jab alone, hence why Tua lasted the distance. Lewis knew Tyson however was a totally different cup of tea, although Lewis Tyson was a whitewash,it was still much more competeitve than Tuas fight, and Tyson was 14 years past his peak.

Another thing, The way Tua bobs his head to one side to avoid punches, he always bobs to the right, thus leaving himself open for a Tyson left hook.

Now if i can spot that, im sure Kevin Rooney would have spotted that too.

 

I didn't know that. I've only seen interviews of Smith and he seems regretful that he fought a negative fight. Do you think he did the best he could ? I don't. Anyway, I think they exaggerated how badly he fought. He should have taken more chances, but it is what it is. Tyson didn't exactly thrill, but Tyson was a small heavyweight and shouldn't be expected to knock out every big heavyweight who wants to fight defensively.
I see both sides of the equation.

Yeah, I remember Tyson falling over. But PRIME Tyson has "great balance" so I thought I must have dreamt it.

(Like where he stared down and hit Smith several seconds after the bell after one round. Out of frustration and lack of discipline, I thought. But that can't be so, because PRIME Tyson never had frustration or discipline problems. :deal)

 

Perhaps he should have tried that at the end of every round ?

 

Tua had no answer for Lewis jab, Tyson not only got past Lewis jab, only to be leaned on, but on occasion he also outjabbed Lewis.

Tuas claim to fame is, he went the distance. That might be more due to what stage he was in his c career compared to Tyson who was not far from retiring.

Also compare Lewis himself, against Tua he hardly broke a sweat, vs Tyson he fought much more aggressively and threw everything.but the kitchen sink.

one thing for certain is Tyson of 14 years prior would have done a much better job than the bum Tua

 

i think he was all to mindful of what happened after the end of the first round:hey

 

Lewis took no chance against Tua because he knew the man carried dynamite in his left hand and knew the Kiwi had a granite chin unlike Tyson who's chin had been shattered before and had shot his load come the mid rounds.

Funny how Asser mentions Tua dipping his head to one side, Lewis mentioned on the post fight interview that Tyson did the exact same thing and he timed the right hand to perfection to get the knockout.

 

Tua lost every round to a clammed up Lewis.

Mike won every round and out boxed a clammed up Smith.

The guff in talent between the two is alarming.

 

actually if you go back through my posts on many occasions ive stated frustration and over confidence were Tysons major weaknesses.

Also yes Tuson threw a jab at the end of round one, but you missed out the bit just before, you know where Smith said to Tyson sarcastically "what's wrong mike?"

at the end of the day, if your world champion, as smith was, at least defend it with some dignity.

Could Smith have done better? Possibly, but if he opened up, he would have been taken out.

just like Pacqiauo vs Hatton and Cotto, they couldn't cope with his speed , and then Clotttey comes along, fighting to survive, stinking out the joint and lasting the distance.

 

Tua couldn't even get past Lewis jab, the guy kept launching himself into the air trying to land a bomb and in the last seconds of the fight, actually walked into the ringpost ala Hatton.

Tyson not only got past Lewis jqb, he outjabbed Lewis too.

Its like comparing Wilder to Foreman, or Chisora to Frazier, that's how big the gulf is between Tua and Tyson.

One guy is two time world champion, the other......?

 

Tyson out jabbed Lewis, I'd like some of what Asser is smoking....

 

Yeah you're right, Lewis is light years ahead of Smith.:good

 

Well, then you're right.

Both are mental weaknesses, I'd point out.
Just sayin'

Yeah, Mike gave a nice short answer.
The long answer would have required a team of psychologists, I reckon.

That's a valid criticism.

Well, as I suggested before, I think he could have opened up a bit more without being taken out. There's a middle ground he could have found.

I think he was just beaten by a better fighter, and would have probably lost anyhow.
But again, boxing is a mental thing, and Smith's weakness was probably more mental than in skills and technique which can be overcome when you hold such physical advantages. It's all theory anyway.

My original point was, Smith didn't hit Tyson as much as Lewis hit Tua, so don't mention his power as proof or Tyson's chin, and then minimize Tua's chin by claiming Lewis "took it easy".
That seems like double standards. That's all.

 

on the flip side the punch Smith hit Tyson smith was better than anything Lewis threw. I watched the fight in the.mornning and Lewis simply was not taking any risks, he completely outjabbed atua and occasionally threw a light right hand to keep Tua honest.

you cont compare the two fights.

the point still stands Tyson survived punchers like Bruno, Ruddock and Smith and took much more punishment from lewis than Tua did.

Tua was never knocked out because his opponents realised how one dimensional he was and how easy he was to outbox.

Tyson wasn't that easy to outbox and you had to dig a bit deeper with him.

Lewis always fought much more aggressively vs guys that posed a threat, Tyson, Ruddock, Golota, Vitali, Briggs etc.