Tua's done, needs to retire

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  1. Pusnuts

    Pusnuts Active Member Full Member

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    No we wouldnt, because even though he repeatedly rocked Monte, his defence was terrible, he is way more open than in the past.

    You dont knock out top contenders like Ruiz, Maskaev etc if you are ****, he is just done and plety of others besides a past-it Monte would beat him now.
     
    Pusnuts, Jul 17, 2010
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  2. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I want Rahman to get his chance to **** Tua up.
     
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  3. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    When did I say that? Of course he's past it, but he was never going to beat any elite ever. Tua was never difficult to out-box. Obviously the Barret fight signals he's past it and probably has lost his stamina... which was actually one of his strengths.
     
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  4. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tua - unfortunately - is all emotions.... He is not a thinking guy who comes in at his max for all fights. He is night and day depending on the opponent and other stuff in his life. For the local battle he had been provoked and really wanted to show the opponent a lesson... for this one it was not another day in the office.... and Tua is not good enough to prepare well for "another day in the office fights".

    If his handlers were smart they would make sure every fight was a grudge fight. If there was one fight were this is not the case.. Tua would loose even to mediocre opposition..
     
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  5. Pusnuts

    Pusnuts Active Member Full Member

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    Its his timing that was terrible, although the stamina wasnt great.
    Tua's already beaten "elites" , unless you only consider longtime unified HW champs "elites". Look at his record FFS between 1996-98 , just 2 years, he beat far more names than the current guys like Arreola etc did

    Hes just unmotivated and no longer a warrior, hes doing it for the money. Bigger names like Tyson and Frazier were done at the same age, true boxing fans will recognise the facts instead of trying to denigrate a fighter's achievements when they are obviously past it.
     
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  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl
     
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  7. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tua got outclassed. I think he's done. I don't think he was "unmotivated". He was 237 pounds which was a good weight and he hasn't lost a fight in ages.
     
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  8. Bulldog

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    Did Tua put on 20lbs btw weigh in and the fight? He looked heavier than in the last 2 fights...or maybe he just aged a lot in this fight and maybe its time to call it quits.
     
    Bulldog, Jul 17, 2010
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  9. Pusnuts

    Pusnuts Active Member Full Member

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    You cant have seen the fight or followed his career or you would have a clue about his decline.
    He is unmotivated in that he doesnt have the "eye of the tiger" he had in the late 90s when he refused to give an inch to some far bigger beasts in HW boxing than an old Monte Barrett.

    He owes money, his longtime manager Barry screwed him over and this is why he does it, hes going through the motions I think, he went over 300lbs in his layoff and mentally retired then I think.

    The weight doesnt mean an awful lot as it looks like he just dieted rather than put on some top level conditioning. He looked sharper vs Ahunanya who is actually a more solid HW than Barrett.

    At age 38 its no surprise, its happened to better, no need to denigrate his past achievements vs Maskaev, Ruiz et al, he is just over the hill.
     
    Pusnuts, Jul 17, 2010
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  10. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am not saying Tua is in his prime. I thought he had something in the tank. At least till tonight. He hadn't lost in years and was looking decent weight wise.

    We can agree to disagree. Tua got a gift draw, and he needs to either get a rematch with Monte to erase doubt, or retire.
     
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  11. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    I can't wait to youtube this fight.
     
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  12. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tua looked great in the first 5 rounds. Very accurate, very busy and tagging Barrett with everything he had. Barrett was ready to go several times but his good chin and heart made him survive. As soon as Barrett started fighting tall (pushing out his lousy jab, but following it with a much stiffer right hand) and moving, Tua was left clueless in the ring. In addition, Tua stopped punching and just kept following Barrett around the ring like an amatuer, instead of cutting him off. In the 12th Barrett was winning handily and managed to put Tua on his ass with a short left hand. To me, this was thesame old Tua. All flash at the begginning but nothing more than desperate brawler as the rounds go by. The person who should retire most is that ridiculous judge who scored it 115-111 for Tua.
     
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  13. Big Left

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    Tua is not shot, he is ****.
     
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  14. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    To steal a phrase from Farm.....

    Tua is Througha.
     
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  15. Pusnuts

    Pusnuts Active Member Full Member

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    Tua looked bad even as he was winning the early rounds, he was still way open to be hit and couldnt time his shots, correct that after the midway point Tua got more desperate and lost any semblance of composure but , if you really think that at age 38 after being retired thats the same old Tua that beat Maskaev, Ruiz etc, you dont really know ****.
    Too much bias where Tua is concerned, how about some respect for a 5'9 boxer that knocked out some top contenders and was never wobbled until he got old.
    Come to that respect for Barrett too, they are just two past-it fighters.

    It was a crap fight to watch by the way.
     
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