Tunney/Dempsey were primitive

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by cross_trainer, Jul 24, 2007.


  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I offer those who claim either of these men have underdeveloped, primitive styles to point out exactly what they do wrong, and how many more mistakes they make than today's lightheavies, cruisers, and heavies.

    Be specific.





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  2. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They keep there hands down lol.
     
  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Well, yes. :D

    Other than that?
     
  4. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They stood over there foes apound a knockout. We know it is "WRONG" to stand over them apound a knockdown. If it was right, you sure know Tyson would have been doing what Dempsey did.

    They stood over each other like CAVEMEN. And we know the word Caveman means primitive. I prove my point.
     
  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I submit that no offensive fighter in Dempseys weight class has ever matched him in terms of-

    Infighting ability

    Head movment

    Footwork

    There has never been a heavyweight like Dempsey just like there has never been a heavyweight like Joe Louis or Muhamad Ali.

    You are looking at the absolute pinacle of style.
     
  6. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Whoever thinks these two men are under developed or primitive no nothing about boxing.
     
  7. Street Lethal

    Street Lethal Active Member Full Member

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    It doesn't look primitive to me.
     
  8. Irish Steel

    Irish Steel Active Member Full Member

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    Neither were. Dempsey Brought the modern boxing style to the table IMO.
     
  9. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Obviously Firpo's a huge fan of the no 3 knock down rule. Interesting I not only watched a couple of good boxing matches, I ended up learning a language.

    sayonara
     
  10. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Interestingly, in the first round, I counted Tunney throwing roughly 60 punches (I probably missed close to half due to the poor quality of film). Many of these were not just pity paty punches but good hard lefts and rights. I dont read stats too much, but this would seem to make him a little busy by modern standards wouldnt it?
     
  11. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    With heavyweights I would say he was the start of modern boxing. Willard, Johnson, Jeffries etc helped mould it but they came from a different era. I still think they could compete because they have two arms and legs, along with some good moves but they were in a slighty different game. Dempsey on the other hand was a 12-15 round fighter.

    I'm not sure about the small guys. I'd need to think who was around his time or before him.
     
  12. Street Lethal

    Street Lethal Active Member Full Member

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    I agree. I think Johnson was one of the best of the old style. Dempsey was something new. Up on his toes, bobbing and weaving, coming forward. It would have been interesting to see Johnson and Dempsey fight. That would have been a real passing of the torch.
     
  13. joe33

    joe33 Guest

    Its becasue they were white,why dont people just admit that,after having black americans dominate the heavy weight scene for so long,it seems to me thats the reason,whites cant jump or fight or run or so it has been in the last few decades,but of coures thats crap,but it is easily to believe that crap.
     
  14. Street Lethal

    Street Lethal Active Member Full Member

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    This is a fair point. But we are talking about their in-ring performance. Politics are important, but the thread is a technical one. Of course, the other guy brought it up and you were just responding, so don't take this as a criticism of you per se.
     
  15. Ezzard

    Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dempsey brought lower weight class tactics and moves to the Heavyweights. He revolutionised boxing.