Tunney in the Corbett, Fitzsimmons and Jeffries era?

No, not really he outboxes all of them.

 

Impossible to say, Tunney never took a punch from the likes of Jeffries or Fitzsimmons, and wasn't quite the athlete that Corbett was.

He was more refined in boxing skill, but if he's in the 1890's to early 1900's his form would not likely be as good.

The best answer is if he had his hands full with light heavies such as Greb and Loughran, he's not beating Jeffries in a 25 round match. Fitz vs Tunney would be interesting. Corbett vs Tunney could be interesting. Shakey vs Tunney, also interesting. Jackson vs Tunney...likely would not happen.

I think Tunney would beat Choysnki and Maher. McCoy, likely too.

 

Over the long fights, I think someone as crafty as Fitz could eventually catch him. Corbett would be an interesting one, I think Corbett was a bit quicker, hard to judge though, so I wouldn't write him off. Jeffries too, for sure Tunney would batter him, but over 20/25 rounds, would Jeffries get to him? Maybe.

Of the rest Gus Ruhlin probably has the best chance if he was firing on all cylinders, but I don't think he could pull it off. Choynski and Skarkey could maybe make things interesting, I'm fairly confident Tunney would win, but in a 20 rounder, they could give him some scary moments, and if he faded he could be in trouble. Maher is too crude and not a freakish tank like Sharkey, I imagine Tunney would blow out McCoy like Corbett did.

 

Tunney had a fairly short prime, so we are going to unknown territory, matching him against two top heavyweights a decade apart.

That if nothing else should reign in your predictions a bit.

 

Any heavyweights Greb fought who didn't have their hands full with him?
What problems did Tunney have with Loughran?
A past prime Corbett was in front after 23 rds against Jeffries ,why wouldn't Tunney ,who was more durable and hit harder go 25rds with Jeffries and beat him? Choynski, a super middle went 20 rounds with him to a draw and some thought him entitled to the win.I think Tunney would make a face first crude brawler like Sharkey look foolish and cut him to ribbons.Sharkey would foul out once he began to get humiliated imo.

 

Did Tunney ever go past 15 rounds?

Plus Jeffries was very inexperienced when he fought Choynski, and hadn't really trained seriously against Corbett.

I don't see why Tunney was more durable than Corbett, who'd gone 27 round against Choynski with a hand injury, and Choynski wearing seemed gloves that cut him to shreds, and 61 rounds against Peter Jackson, being stronger by the end.

 

Jeffries was inexperienced against Choynski but he had about 67 lbs on him.
Jeffries trained hard for Corbett where did you get the idea he didn't? He was only 3 lbs heavier than when he beat Sharkey 7 months earlier and a pound lighter than when he rematched Fitzsimmons later.
Choynski was a comparative novice 20 years old only 4 fights , when he fought Corbett who was his local AC's instructor and champion at both middle and heavyweight,and recognized as the best amateur on the Pacific coast. Where did you read that Corbett was cut to shreds against Choynski?
For that fight Choynski wore driving gloves and Corbett 2 ounce ones.
It was Choynski who suffered from a very bad nose bleed that nearly choked him as he had to swallow the blood.
Jackson went into the Corbett fight with an ankle injury.The fight was called a no contest because neither fighter was capable of offering any sort of offence at the end ,for the last20 rounds it had been a mind numbing snore bore.What leads you to believe Corbett was stronger at the end?
Anyone stop Tunney? Apart from Dempsey anyone drop him?

 

Impossible to say, Tunney never took a punch from the likes of Jeffries or Fitzsimmons, and wasn't quite the athlete that Corbett was.

He was more refined in boxing skill, but if he's in the 1890's to early 1900's his form would not likely be as good.

The best answer is if he had his hands full with light heavies such as Greb and Loughran, he's not beating Jeffries in a 25 round match. Fitz vs Tunney would be interesting. Corbett vs Tunney could be interesting. Shakey vs Tunney, also interesting. Jackson vs Tunney...likely would not happen.

I think Tunney would beat Choysnki and Maher. McCoy, likely too.

The heavyweights Greb fought were not as good as the ones in the timeline the OP mentioned.

You don't understand what past his prime means, Corbett at age 33 was in top shape and form for Jeffries.

Tunney and Loughran appears to be a draw, and Loughran was a light heavy, not a very good heavy.

Excellent boxers like Kid McCoy went down and out vs Sharkey.

As indicated Tunney would not be as skilled in the 1890's to early 1900's. He's from the Benny Leonard School of boxing.

 

I was wrong on a quite few bits there, I should have checked before posting that.
Choynski was also a top amateur too, and they were both inexperienced as pros, so I'd say it was pretty even for them.
I thought I'd heard the riding gloves Choynski wore caused cuts, I can't see anything about it in the reports, though it was reported as being a bloody affair, so I guess I was wrong on that.
I'd seem it from some news reports, but looking through they are pretty contradictory. Looking back through it I'm not sure what to make of it.
There are several comments in papers that Corbett was better such as this one https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SBDC18910526.1.2&txq=peter+jackson+corbett
But I suspect some bias there, so it's hard to say.

Yeah but what top heavyweights did he fight apart from 10 rounders with an old Dempsey?

 

I'm impressed you have manned up on a couple of things you were wrong on .That is rarer than most might think!
The fight was a bloody affair the blood coming from Choynski,who was in danger of choking on his own blood.
I've always read Corbett was the better which does not surprise me given their respective stages of development. Tunney fought more heavies than people realise, one other factor to take into account is the guys he was fighting were as big as Corbett and Sharkey and bigger than Fitz, Choynski , and McCoy !

 

On the contrary I understand perfectly what prime means.Corbett had engaged in one professional fight since 1897 when he had been ko'd by Fitzsimmons The fight in question was against TomSharkey and he was badly mauled in that and headed for a ko loss when his second entered the ring to save him from the ko.
So he had one fight in3 years sand been badly beaten in it and been ko'd in his previous fight.

THAT IS NOT A MAN IN HIS PRIME, but do keep stating it is, it just makes you look even more ridiculous, which is a feat in itself!
The Tunney v Loughran 4 rounder was a no dec and Tunney won it comfortably.
Loughran wasn't a good heavyweight? He beat 3 men who held the title .
Braddock
Beer
Sharkey
He also beat
Ettore
Stribling
Risko
Renault
Hamas
Schaff
Levinsky
Godoy

You really are a cretin aren't you?

 

I'll need to check, though I don't have time right now, but I'm sure from the reports I've seen it was fairly competitive, and Corbett's second entered purely to get Corbett disqualififed and win bets. Corbett himself was confident he was still going to win, though it certainly seems Corbett was giving a poor performance.

 

Corbett's second came in the ring because Jim was getting his arse kicked.