Tunney v Frazier

It's Spanish where every other word sounds like douche.

I am working on my Catalan, btw. And my Italian is fluent. Still, I doubt his arguments make sense in any language.

 

Yes, I got drawn into it , and then even felt guilty for a bit because I began to suspect I was ridiculing someone with mental issues.

You on the other hand are arguing with a blowhard who sounds like he is doing a bad Trump impersonation.

 

You make ridiculous statements ,and then get aggrieved when people call you on them.
You're embarrassing yourself friend,at first it was funny, now its just downright pitiful.

 

Fleischer never had Dempsey as his number one heavyweight that is irrefutable and unarguable.He never had Marciano above Johnson either.

Since you're stickler for spelling=Sholz instead of Shulz,its Siki not Sikki.

Fleischer's top ten.

"As I have had it listed in The Ring Record Book for some years, my all-time rating of heavyweights is as follows: 1. Jack Johnson, 2. Jim Jeffries, 3. Bob Fitzsimmons, 4. Jack Dempsey, 5. James J. Corbett, 6. Joe Louis, 7. Sam Langford, 8. Gene Tunney, 9. Max Schmeling, 10. Rocky Marciano"

 

. . . but it gets funny again with his Borat gimmick.

 

Just breathe and show us on the doll.

 

Personally I think it would be a tough fight for Tunney. Assuming both were at their peaks, Frazier would be coming at him ala Dempsey and Tunney would have to move and try to hurt Frazier like he did Dempsey. Tough one to pick as both champions were great,

Personally I like Frazier to win but Tunney was tested by a couple of the best (Greb and Dempsey) and found ways to win (except fight 1 with Greb).

 

Going to have to give him a miss,there is something not quite right about him.

 

I happen to think Tunney was a terrific fighter, superbly conditioned, very smart and extremely fast .. I just don't see him being able to keep Frazier off him long enough to win a decision .. Frazier was a pitbull, just brutal and if you did not have the combination of size and power w some speed he'd just be a terrible guy to fight ..

 

Fleischer to my knowledge first listed his top tens in each division within his great book "50 years at ringside". This book came out in the mid to late 50's. Nat NEVER revised his hwt rankings. It was not until after his death in 1972 that Ring revised his rankings moving Jeffries over Johnson among other changes.

 

The May 1994 Ring has it as follows.
1.Ali
2.Louis
3.Johnson
4.Marciano
5.Dempsey
6.Holmes


The 1999 list is
1.Ali
2.Louis
3.Holyfield
4.Foreman
5.Holmes
6.Marciano.
7.Liston
8.Frazier
9.Johnson
10.Dempsey

 

Nope.


Bert sugar's list of the top 10 heavyweights of all time?

this is straight from a dvd i have called: ringside the top 10 heavyweights

it's bert sugars list of the top 10 heavyweights ever

1. joe louis
2. muhammad ali
3. jack dempsey
4. jack johnson
5. rocky marciano
6. ezzard charles
7. gene tunney
8. george foreman
9. joe frazier
10. larry holmes


Bert Sugar Top 10 Heavyweights
From his top 100 list he has the Heavyweights in this order.

1/. Joe Louis
2/. Muhammad Ali
3/. Jack Dempsey
4/. Jack Johnson
5/. Gene Tunney
6/. Rocky Marciano
7/. Ezzard Charles
8/. George Foreman
9/. Joe Frazier
10/. Evander Holyfield

 

In 1974/1975 Rings top ten all time hwt rankings were first revised.

Jeffries was given top spot over Johnson

Marciano was moved into the top five.

Ali was brought into the top ten at No 9. Frazier No 10.

Regarding Sugar he indeed rated Dempsey at the top at least during the latter stage of his life.

 

Just a clarification....Sugar rated Dempsey at the top of his pound for pound all time rankings.

 

I pulled out of mothballs my original copy of Rings 1976 Record Book. Jeffries was indeed placed above Johnson (Johnson was Fleischers No 1) but both were lowered several notches. Here is what it looked like:

1. Louis
2. Dempsey
3. Jeffries
4. Johnson
5. Marciano
6. Tunney
7. Fitzsimmons
8. Corbett
9. Ali
10. Frazier.

Looking within my 1978 Ring record book the list is the same EXCEPT Ali was moved up to the No 3 spot.