Tunney v Frazier

They aren't even close. Peak Ali sat around 212, peak Tunney was a light heavyweight. 37 pounds is a huge difference. Even chubbed up Tunney was 20 pounds lighter than Ali's fighting weight.

I take very little out of such comments. I would take Ali in a heartbeat over Marciano, and Frazier for that matter at his best and Frazier would also have a good chance vs Marciano.

Clay developed into a noticably bigger speciman, no if's or but's. I could go thru size at various points and ages but it's beyond question and not worth the time. Ali at 18 weighed near 20lbs more than what Tunney did at 27. Tunney was a bonafide light heavy, a great one.

Tunney has one fight in his life with someone over 193, his last one.

More to the point Frazier has a natural 30lbs on him and was quite nasty on small fighters.

 

You are without a doubt the most stupid poster who has ever been on this forum.You make ridiculous statements and when you are called out on them get defensive.I really think you have mental health issues.Don't you know everyone here is laughing at you?

 

You have Ali at 10 all time P4P or Heavyweight?!?!?!?!

If Tunney had more speed than Ali he must have been pretty fast. Ali's defense pre exile was also extremely effective. Also, beating peak Frazier would be a bit different to beating a past prime Dempsey i reckon.

 

I didn't allege the opposite ,Folley and his manager did! You haven't a clue have you?

 

Fraziers best weight was 205. Tunney was a 190 pound hwt. That's 15 pounds not 30.

Tunney was a far better technical boxer than Ali.

Very hard to beat an ATG fighter relying so heavily on just one punch. Great fighters have a way of exploiting major technical flaws.

 

Tunney only made 190lbs once in his entire career , a year before he fought Dempsey for the title he scaled181.5lbs for the Gibbons fight.

 

Which is why i put "natural" in the sentence. There's no roids or modern weight training science to help Tunney to that 190 ala Holyfield.

Better technically doesn't = better fighter.

Frazier beat the GOAT so i think he has a decent chance against a beefed up light heavyweight however good. Beefed up and still only 190 odd.

 

Tunneys best as per his trainers was Dempsey 1/2. He was a 190 pound fighter for these bouts. Nit picking .50 pounds does not change this. Joe was 205 the night he met Ali in 71. So that's 15 pounds not 30.

Tunney was a greater technical fighter than Ali, very smart and incredibly well trained.

 

I believe Tunney was better technically than Ali, but I'd like to hear from "the oracle " what he does better, so fire away.
Tunney never faced a class 200lbs fighter in his career,his heavyweight rep rests on his wins over a past prime Dempsey and an ,"at the end of the line "Gibbons, 179lbs Gibbons dazed Tunney.

"This bout, although against a fading and aging former light-heavyweight phenomenon in Tommy Gibbons, was probably by far the most important victory of Tunney's career up to date. Knocking out the old light-heavyweight would have been nice for Tunney's reputation, but the fact that he knocked out the man that went the full fifteen with frightening puncher and heavyweight champion Jack Dempsey made the victory spectacular, and it also made the Dempsey-Tunney bout a natural. Tunney, however, didn't go through Gibbons without taking a few shots, and Tommy even dazed Tunney with a pair of terrific punches in the eighth".

The plodding Heeney was a perfect patsy for Tunney to showcase his skills.Had Tunney faced and beaten Sharkey we might be more certain of Tunney's place in the pantheon of heavyweight champs,as it is his resume is very thin at the weight.

 

If you think Tunney beats more top 10 Heavyweights than he does Light Heavyweights then there's not much more to be said.

Someone needs to start a Louis - Tunney thread, i'm forecasting a draw, split series or razor slim decision LOL

 

I don't think these rise to the level of ideas I think we're seeing here is some strange form of Tourette's which includes the use of keyboards or if apply Occam's razor Rasta Borat just may indeed be an idiot.

 

Frazier was much better defensively and technically that he is given credit for. The fact that his combination of size strength and speed would be too much for Tunney is a no way an insult to what he accomplished.

 

Yes, and they are both from time periods in which boxing was still attracting the top level large athletes relative to the other professional sports.

 

The burden of proof in this argument lies all on Tunney. He simply did not produce the results at heavyweight which Frazier was able to produce.

All this talk of "technical excellence" would mean something if we were judging figure skating. There are many, many examples of fighters achieving great things with just enough technique... especially at heavyweight.

 

"technical excellence" wouldn't mean a whole lot when you are hurting and trying to stave off a relentless onslaught.

That would be Tunney's situation.

This fight ain't going 15.