Tunney v Frazier

Tunney gets run down as would Charles, Sharkey , Walcott, Corbett, Patterson and the overwhelming majority of others close to his size. Frazier was a terrific beast warrior.

 

Frazier at his best is a formidable matchup for any man his own size, especially technical guys who rely on outboxing and outslicking their opponent and lack power. Frazier is the ultimate grinder.

Tunney was brilliant based on what ive read and he had a stellar record. He definitely had heart as he got off the floor to beat dempsey and his resume speaks for itself winning two belts in two weight classes with only 1 loss. Fast and technically sound...but in that one loss he was pounded by a former middleweight who lacked power. And tunney himself lacked power even in his own weight class and his own era and would be giving up 15-20 lbs against frazier whose chin held up against ali, ellis, quarry, bugner, etc. I just dont see how tunney wins if he cant stop frazier and i just dont see him surviving long enough to win a decision, let alone doing enough to convincingly beat him on the cards. Best case scenario he loses in a close thrilling war by split decison.

 

That's my opinion you have a perfect right to disagree.I also think Tyson absolutely rapes Frazier which you can disagree with too.

 

Good post,I'd just like to add these caveats Tunney was only the American lhvy champ and he was inside the lhvy limit when Greb beat him,he matured and added muscle and, presumably both durability and power. Tunney would not stop Frazier but to say he lacked power is not entirely true he hit pretty hard and often as his record of stoppage proves PrimeTunney was just under 190,Frazier 205,not a huge disparity.I agree with your result just thinking out loud really

 

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Okay I see you are intent on making something of this so let me explain my post and help you to grasp it.
IMHO Douglas fought his absolute best fight against Tyson in----------
TOKYO!!!!!
Beating to the punch a SHORTER, BOBBING , WEAVING ,COME- FORWARD PUNCHER.
One who hit harder,had real power in both hands,hit faster, had a better chin ,did not swell up as Joe did and was a bigger man all round.


THAT version of Douglas has an excellent chance of replicating that result against Frazier IMHO.I also partly base this on Frazier v Ali.
Now have you absorbed and understood that?

"A Buster Douglas in shape is a dangerous Buster Douglas for ANY heavyweight in the history of boxing.
The Buster Douglas that beat TYSON [TOKYO] would have given ANY heavyweight in the history of boxing trouble that day."
Oliver MCCall, explaining why he picks Douglas as having the fastest hands of his opponents in this month's issue of the Ring.
NSTFU!!!!

 

Dont get me wrong Tunney is a great fighter who I really like and admire but my man Smoke is a fast moving freight train that Tunney no matter how well prepared can deal with.
Frazier stops him inside 9 I might be generous here too.

 

Ok dude um saying tunney wins "easily" based on beating a past his prime dempset who spent the ladt few years partying with celebrities is a bit of a stretch.

No one is saying tunney would lose literally every time out of 100 matches, thatd b ridiculous. But to say tunnet beats a prime frazier in a wide shutout ud is equally ridiculous. You think tunney is THAT much better than ali, quarry, ellis, mathis who had similar styes to tunnry and couldnt beat joe at his best?

 

This made my day. I couldn't stop laughing for 10 minutes

 

Tho a truly great lightheavy, Tunney spent 3 years fighting above 175 and has about the shallowest resume at heavyweight of any champion, all accrued in a transitional era of the division.

Frazier was ranked in the top three at heavyweight for 8 consecutive years (including 3 years at #1) right thru the heart of the divisions greatest era and owns the single greatest victory in the division's history.

Compare/Contrast

 

It is hard to imagine any classic boxer weighing less than 200lbs beating Frazier.

 

Nope .he doesn't have a shallower resume to Corbett.

 

It would be overstating the case, to call Tunney's resume one of the shallowest of the lineal heavyweight champion's.

He has four wins over opponents who were unequivocally top three heavyweights when he beat them for starters.

Quite a lot of lineal heavyweight champion's don't!

 

Not wishing to cause mission creep, but Corbett's resume leaves a lot of room for interpretation.

It depends how much weighting you put on his early wins, over fighters who boxed under LPR rules.

 

Bullsh#t if you are counting Gibbons in his millionth and final fight or that non entity Carpertier. And Dempsey either wasn't half what he had been or wasn't that good to begin with.

Shallow. Except better than Corbett, I will allow.

 

Of course we can knock holes ion these wins, but we have to look at the rankings.

Gibbons was the #2 contender.

Dempsey was the champion, and later the #1 contender.

Heeney was (I think) the #2 contender.

That was not just what he was able to scrape together over a long career, that was done in a relatively short period.

Then he had wins over key contenders like Risko, Renault, and Spalla, and his last fight with Greb was a heavyweight affair.

I share your skepticism about Tunney's heavyweight record, but it might look pretty good if it happened today!