Tunney v Frazier

Do you know how to fight? If you do just watch Tunney and Ali. Tunney the vastly superior technical fighter. The manner in which Joe tagged Ali at will with his hook alone is testament. You don't see Dempsey, who had an all time left hook, landing often at all vs Tunney. This is just one example.

 

Tunney is technically superior because he can't get away with doing things wrong and still having it work like Ali did. The problem is that Ali still has better measurables and more pop at heavyweight.

I also think a younger Dempsey finishes the job the old version couldn't, which fits right in line with me favoring a peak Frazier.

I've seen bigger upsets than Gene winning this, just wouldn't favor him. That's hardly an insult.

 

I've fought more black opponents than Tunney. I know that much.

 

Ali never did, neither did Louis.Holmes was always vulnerable to the right hand and both Snipes and Shavers had little else.Dempsey no longer had the legs to corner Tunney,a prime Frazier probably did.A past prime Dempsey dropped Tunney, how many other heavyweight hitters did he face for you to be so confident in his durability to absorb Frazier's hook?

 

Ali was never a great technical boxer. Ali, Louis and Holmes had technical flaws at certain stages of their careers that some fighters exploited. Tunney had no such major technical flaws in terms of being open for left hooks. If you control Fraziers hook it's game set and match. Frazier entire offense was based upon that hook and Tunney would be conditioned to go 15 rounds and defend himself against a left hooker as he was vs Dempsey.

 

Tunney would not beat Frazier. Stop.

 

Which boxer controlled Frazier's left hook ,as in nullified it?
You didn't answer my last question either?

 

Correct. Ali himself liked Tunney.

 

Frazier never fought a technical boxer at Tunneys level. Gene was technically great enough to establish a fight plan to make it very difficult for Frazier to land his hook. Basic boxing when fighting a left hooker to keeping to ones left forcing the hooker to constantly reset and at the same time keeping at the end of any hook that was to be thrown.

 

Klompton,

You mentioned that Dempsey specifically broke the neutral corner rule in the Willard bout. Why is this never really mentioned when talking about the fight? Why didn't Willard's people contest the fight on that merit and get it overturned.. could they not?

 

Moving away from the opponents best punch ,as in if he is a left-hooker you go clockwise[to his right,] if he favours the right cross or over hand right,you go anti-clockwise, [to his left ,] wow I never knew that! Do you think most of us have never put gloves on or something?atsch


Frazier's great ability WAS to continually be able to reset and fire his hook for an entire fight it is probably his most precious asset!

Ill ask you again, what heavyweight hitters ,besides a past it Dempsey, showed Tunney's "durability and ability to absorb Frazier's hook?"

 

I agree that Ali had technical flaws but he was able to actually be better by breaking those rules because by breaking them he was able to exploit his otherworldly talent. When you have that kind of speed and those kind of reflexes you can throw out a lot pages of the "rule book". This isn't gymnastics or figure skating. You don't get deductions on form.

In regards to Tunney, Greb landed plenty of hooks from both inside and outside.

 

The rules regarding going to a neutral corner after scoring a knockdown were slightly amended and clarified at the time of the Firpo fight.

 

Greb was a fast swarmer who gave Tunney hell, Frazier was a fast swarmer , granted not as fast as Harry, but 30lbs heavier and with a legitimate heavyweight's punch that he carried for the full course of a fight..:think
I like Tunney, but not in this match.:-(

 

Guard at waist level is not helpful against an ATG left hook, or any other punch that is not aimed at the waist for that matter. Tunney's squared upper body would be more vulnerable against straight punches, though.