Tunney v Frazier

You haven't boxed have you? Of course it means you're easier to hit.

Tunney, like Ali, compensated with quick feet, quick reflexes and good ring generalship. Ali met some of the most dangerous left hookers of his day (Liston and Patterson for example) without getting nailed. But that doesn't mean that a good guard isn't a good protection.

And you're just spouting the usual clichés about Ali, without having watched him much, but that is another matter.

But tell me, what are the technical flaws that hurt Ali against Frazier that Tunney didn't have?

 

Aren't you agreeing with him then? It's possible to compensate for low guard, so it doesn't mean low guard makes you easy to hit.

I think what you mean is that on average, it's easier to get hit, with a low guard.

 

Buddy....I watched Ali live in training at Deer Park in the mid 70's many times and I attended his final bout with Norton at Yankee Stadium. I watch live all his televised fights from 1972 onward. I know more about Ali and for that matter Tunney than you will ever know.

 

good posts by perry as usual

 

What utter bull****. Greb agreed to a sixth fight with Tunney, it was Tunney who refused. Get your facts straight. And gee I wonder if Tunney being too much for Greb later in their series had anything to do with Greb being severely faded?? After all, Tunney did deserve to lose their second and fourth fights by an overwhelming majority of ringsiders and their third fight was damn close. Exactly what heavyweights did Tunney beat, REAL heavyweights not career lhws who had moved up in weight past their prime did Tunney beat to say he could have done to Frazier what Ali did??? Heeney? Spalla?? And exactly who did Dempsey fight that showed he had a better chin than Frazier? Flynn? Sudenberg? Firpo? Firpo wouldnt have even hit Frazier much less deck him three times. Carpentier wouldnt have wobbled Frazier like he did Dempsey. No version of Frazier gets knocked out cold by an ancient totally washed up Flynn. Better chin my ass. Dempsey barely beat Firpo who was half as good as any version of Bonavena that Frazier beat. Frazier would have run through every one of Dempseys title defenses and everyone of his big fights running up to willard like **** through a goose.

 

Thats not true, several reporters wrote about Dempseys willingness to stand over a fallen opponent and the fact that he was allowed to. However, if you trying to posit that i am incorrect, or lying then you can go look up the rules. They were published and well known and the commission founding that resulted in those rules being written was lauded all over the country in sports pages. It was no secret and the way boxing was handled legally under such controlled regulation is one of the reasons why it was chosen as a site for the fight in the first place.

Ive never really understood why people say things like this. "Dont you think its strange that people never mention this or that." No. People today are ignorant of a great many things. Im rarely surprised by that ignorance. How could anyone reading a for populated by nincom****s like mendoza and perry ever wonder how salient historical facts could get washed away and forgotten in the face of such hyperbolic hero worship.

 

Holy **** man that's amazing that you saw him train in the 70's, and went to the Norton fight.

 

Sorry that English isn't your first language but that you are forced to use it here..

That said, tell me more about your contention that Tunney's heavyweight record is better than Lewis'and that a Carpentier who really didn't have a meaningful win on his heavyweight resume for almost a decade and Tommy Gibbons, who likewise did nothing at heavyweight, in his last fight other rank above the likes of Mathis and Quarry.

 

That's Deer Lake PA not Deer Park. Deer Park is the water I drink!

Yes I had a friend who was a young local hwt who trained at that camp and sparred with Ali. I must have visited him a good 7-10 times in 1975-1976 time frame.

 

Did you see him work the heavybag? That must've been something.

What are some of the most impressive things you saw?

 

Dude, you're not making any sense. Sorry.

Again, tell me how Tunney's victories when we are discussing heavyweights are better than Frazier's.

And tell me how Dempsey's victims in either his rise to the championship or in his reign get anywhere near to Lewis'.

 

LOL! Don't hold your breath. He is not going to become lucid or rational. It's not a langauge thing, I beginning to think it may be a vodka thing.

 

His Alt is Grey Goose.:yep

 

Fleischer rated Johnson as the best heavyweight.and Dempsey at number 4.Since Fleischer died in1972 there are quite a few candidates that came after that might have made the cut. Carpentier's heavyweight credentials are very shallow.

 

It's always easier to get hit with a low guard. But certain fighters are hard to hit even with a low guard because of their abilities.