Tunney v Frazier

Then you know he showed plenty of technique in fights like Thrilla in Manilla.

Ali wasn't a human punching bag once his legs went, he actually used an excellent stationary defense to foil for example Foreman.

Of course he got hit more once his speed and reflexes declined, but he wasn't devoid of boxing fundamentals. When I watch him in Frazier III, I see a quite fundamentally sound fighter actually. For a HW anyway.

Maybe Tunney would have relied more on his guard also if he had stayed past his prime. But the low guard he displays against a past prime Dempsey would be dangerous against prime Frazier, quite possibly the best pressure fighter in HW history.

Ali got punished in FOTC for holding his right hand low. I don't see why Tunney wouldn't be. Even though Ali had lost some speed and stamina in his legs and possibly a bit of his reflexes in 1971, he was still very fast for a 6'3' guy.

 

Sometimes I enjoy reading debates on here, but I couldn't understand what he was saying at all. I'm sure he's better English than I am at his language but it doesn't make the comprehension any easier

 

Tunney was much better technically than Ali. Have no doubt. He would not be hit like Ali did with constant lead left hooks. Won't happen.

 

You guys are arguing with someone who thinks gustav schulz is a top 10 all time MW. Just wanted to put that into perspective.

His contention that Carpentier was voted p4p best boxer of the yr in 1924 is equally ludicrous. In 1924 Carpentier had three fights, two bruising one sided ass kicking losses and a fixed win over a guy who went down from punches that flew harmlessly overhead and who had won just one of his last eight fights...

 

Frazier would pin Tunney against the ropes/in the corners and whale away. Frazier is just too big and strong, and his game is actually a lot more multifaceted than people here are stating.

He looked a very versatile fighter against, say, Chuvalo.

 

Good for him. By the time he sticks that landing and is staring up at the black lights he will have had fewer tenths taken off his score.

 

Didn't happen to Ali either, except against Frazier.

So one can believe that Ali with, more fights against ranked HWs than any other and second only to Joe Louis in HW title fights, met only bums during his 20 year career, or you can believe that Frazier's left hook was something else.

 

No prime ATG boxer gets beat by one punch. Tunney would neutralize Joes hook and with it take the fight. Have no doubt Tunney will have a perfect fight plan and will be in perfect condition to move box and win in convincing fashion over 15 rounds. Frazier would have a very frustrating evening.

 

You are correct. No prime atg fighter gets beat by one punch. Which is why its utterly asinine for you to pretend frazier only had one punch in his ****nal. But carry on mr. "Ive forgotten more about Tunney and Ali than anyone else." Comical coming from one of the dumbest sons of *****es on this forum.

 

Krapton you are a salesman pretending to be a historian. You are lousy at both.

I have forgotten more about the sport of boxing than you will ever know. All you do on here is lie through your teeth regarding Greb, Dempsey and now Tunney. Keep cherry picking information....it's the oldest trick in the book.

Frazier in his prime was 85% left hook. He can't win a fight without that one punch. Joe lacked good coordination between his left and right side this is why you see him throw both hands to the body but rarely change up to the head or throw left AND right combos up top.

Unlike you I lived through this era and watched Joe in person numerous times in Philly as well as NY.

BTW Joe said himself his right hand was lacking. Late into his career he was STILL trying to develop his right hand and he said so HIMSELF.

Now get back to that run down townhouse you live in before I thrash you once again.

 

I think Tunney would do well lasting 5-6 rds actually. Perhaps he wouldn't last longer than Foster.

He was a technician in an era when I'd say that boxing was evolving quite fast, and just like Dempsey he was forerunner in some way but also retained parts of the more primitive form (squared upper body probably the most obvious one).

Frazier was very one-handed for someone on his level, but he also brought pressure fighting into a new era. Never mind he had 20 lbs on Tunney, something that always comes in handy. Once he came into his rhythm he'd eat Tunney alive.

 

As you know Tunney relied on his legs,and great wheels they were too.Your point is well taken , had he fought on past his prime I think we may have seen him tagged a few times,Dempsey essentially sheep-dogged him towards the corner and, once he had him in a restricted space, unleashed the artillery

 

Yeah yeah yeah. You know oh so much. We all bow down to your knowledge. Lol. ****ing tool. Cant wait for your book to be published full of such historical gems as "ive watched every important Duran fight live, i dont care about anyones opinion" and "ive forgotten more about tunney and ali than anyone on this forum" and " i watched ali train in person so im really important." Lol. Go jack yourself off somewhere else, nobody gives a **** about some nameless pinhead boasting about pointless nothings he may or may not have done which add absolutely no weight or credibility to either his arguments or his self promotion. Do something with your supposed knowledge when you grow up and move out of your mammys house then get back to me. What you THINK you know about me is a damn sight more than what you ACTUALLY know about the sport you waste so much of your obviously worthless time posting about.


"Cherry picking" only an ignorant, unschooled, uneducated dip**** would call it cherry picking to arrive at a conclusion based on a comprehensive exhaustive research of ALL sources, not just those that agree with you. In reality that is what youve done time and again and thats what ive nailed you on time and again, and thats why your ass gets chapped time and again worse than a prison ***** everytime you come on here talking about **** that i actually have forgotten more about than youll ever know and have the ready sources to back it up. Keep trying sonny, im always here ready and waiting for any claim you wish to make about Greb, Tunney, Dempsey, or anyone else from that era and dont to feverishly peel through google news to do it. Ive already done my homework. Im not playing catch up or learning while nip at my betters heals pretending to be the big dog. Yip yip yip.

Instead of wasting your time you should borrow some money from mammy, or take out a second shift at mcdonalds and get yourself an education. That way you might begin to understand the difference between real research and a snot nosed brat with access to his local librarys internet connection. Two different things. Come back when google isnt your first and last stop.

 

Portuguese sounds like Spanish had a stroke.

 

Krapton. Get back to work selling office furniture. You failed badly trying to pass yourself off as a "historian". You are going to need to concentrate on your sales performance so you can fix up that townhouse you have. Looks like Sh.t.

Yes you indeed cherry pick. You ignore data that proves alternative points of view. You do that with Greb, Dempsey, Tunney to name a few. It's called intellectual dishonesty.