I know much more about Hopkins, and have seen more footage and full fights, having never seen a full Tunney fight. Bhop vs Tunney 175fight thoughts?
it really is hard too believe the amount of foolishness goes into Hopkins love and other overated fighters like him. This is why I pay NO attention to achievement based ratings - in theory they can give fighters credit for being good or even great champions, but my god how often it falls apart when people start comparing lesser fighters (even good ones) to Greats from far, far better era's and competition. Tunney and ALL the other Great MWs & L-HWs wouldn't give Hopkins a chance to spoil, they'd make him fight for the expect loss!!!
i hope you're not saying calzaghe is a great fighter because he beat a 43 yr old fighter. you have to pick tunney here but enough with the crapping on bhop crap he could fight but you have a natural middleweight vs a natural light heavy in this matchup. tunney never stepped in the ring with a black man so consider this as well.
I honestly feel Hopkins would have foiled a lot of the all-timers at middleweight, and not many at light heavy.
tunney=great LH hopkins=great MW, not at LH. Only his guile allowed him to beat that recent string of LHs, although he was also part shot too, so its not that accurate a picture.
Don't be decieved by the wins of Hopkins over the befuddled, second rate fighters that he fought. Second rate they were to truly great fighters..like Tunney. Tunney would have soundly outboxed mand outclassed dirty ol' man Hopkins. A different class of fighter alltogether.
movement frustrated hopkins, smart movement could beat him. tunney was a master of it. i see that jab landing in hopkins face all night without the tenacity or workrate to counter it
Tunney was one of the smartest fighters of all time...Tunney was great...he beats Hopkins...next question...
Although Tunney fought nearly a hundred years ago, I just don't see Hopkins being able to deal with his style at all. Hopkins would be able to make it ugly in the clinches but unlike a lot of modern boxers, Tunney was very adept at dealing with clinches (along with other rough tactics) himself. Hopkins might find some room for his counter right hand over Tunney's low left but I don't see it bothering Tunney enough to stop him from outworking Hopkins. Even in a battle of wills, Tunney just had more drive to win than the aged Hopkins at the light heavyweight portion of his career who was content with just making it close enough to have a case.
I'll step in and do the PP bit here... Hopkins is a shade taller and is a natural modern middleweight. Modern weight-cutting and the 24 hour weigh in mean he likely would have fought much of his career at LHW were he a contemporary of Tunney's. The form Hopkins showed as a pro was against men who, for the most part, would have weighed in at between 165 and 180, similar to Tunney's range. I favour Tunney here, but they're not the weight-class apart some are making out; I think at his very best Hopkins would be a very difficult night's work for a lot of great light-heavies. Foster, for example, may struggle.