How does this one pan out? Can Tunney keep Rocky off him all night or does Rocky catch up to Tunney and grind him down?
Marciano will wear him down eventually and stop him, or rack up enough rounds to win a decision, he’s the bigger man, stronger, relentless and wouldn’t stop until Tunney is finished, Tunney also doesn’t have enough power to make Marciano respect him.
Tunney has a shot ,he was a damn sight better than Lastarza who went the distance and into the eleventh in the rematch with Rocky .55/45 for Rocky.
Tunney takes him to school and gives him the whole course of what fighting a prime boxer atg feels like. Tracks his bobbing head with jabs and sharp crosses, ties his arms on the inside, constantly sets his preferred range with his superior footwork and makes Marciano's face look like abstract art drawn by a five year old. He won 90% of rounds against Dempsey, he sustained body blows from Jack, he can do the same for Marciano.
In a ten round fight I’d definitely go with Tunney. The longer the fight the better the odds Marciano gets the win. It’s a 50/50 fight.
Spot on analysis! (Although Marciano had great stamina--so if it's a 15 round bout the Rock could eventually land a haymaker in the later rounds a la Jack Dempsey in the famous "long count" rematch with Tunney.)
A washed up Walcott went within a whisker of doing it - Tunney absolutely beats Marciano, & with points to spare. Unlike Walcott, Tunney isn’t open to being put out with one good shot, & won’t engage as haphazardly as Walcott did, either. Where cuteness & angles from Walcott put Marciano into the fight of his life, Tunney would replace them with textbook jabbing, shrewd movement & judicious counter offensives. This has De La Hoya-Trinidad written all over it, except Tunney won’t fatigue.
Marciano wears him down and stops in the 14th. Prime Marciano brought way more smoke than anyone Tunney fought, in the condition they fought him. Not super impressed by beating a former great over ten rain soaked rounds.
I’m not impressed by losing 8-4 to an over the hill Walcott, either. Tunney was superior to even the prime Walcott of 1946-48.
Tunney has advantages in height, speed, reach, and in overall ability. He would be the best fighter Rocky faced by quite a significant margin, when it comes to taking primes into account. Gene’s also a great infighter, had underrated power according to Dempsey, and had exceptional defense. Cant really see many ways of how Rocky can win unless he fouls the **** out of Tunney and really makes it a brawl, and grinds him down in spite of being a bloody mess. I don’t think I’d bet on it though, Gene by decision
Oh, hey, I think Tunney is a fine boxer and that he'd give Marciano all he could handle. That said, I would have picked Walcott etc over Marciano too and we all know how that turned out. Tunney seems like a tough, well conditioned fighter with top technique, so if you told me you picked Tunney on that basis I'd have to agree it was a good argument. However I know that "Marciano would find a way" has become a cliche but there's truth to it. There's something to be said for being a relentless stamina monster with two fisted power in the 15th round.
Certainly, & I think I proved in the Ray Mercer thread/war I respect his abilities. I gave him 50-50 odds with Frazier, too. He didn’t face a peak Walcott though, it was an over the hill version (though he did put up a great fight regardless). I would have to pick Walcott to beat him had he been at his best - based on the result of their actual fight - & Tunney is superior for mine to prime Walcott. Perhaps most tellingly, he won’t give Marciano as many chances in exchanges as Walcott did.