Tunney vs Marciano

How the hell was he NOT shot? That’s the real question here, he was on the slide since 1948 just look at who he was dropping losses to. Sid Peaks, Leonard Morrow, Tommy Harrison? Find me one account from 1951-52 that doesn’t portray Bivins as a shot fighter?

Also, Layne didn’t get better. He and Ezzard got worse, it’s evident by the fact that Layne was dropping losses to no-names in the same time frame he’d fought Charles. He was on his way out.

 

Greb has dealt with fighters the size of Walcott and Layne for his entire career. Nothing makes Layne unique compared to Brennan who was of similar size and got slapped around by Greb. Prime Walcott would be an interesting fight for Greb, as would prime Charles. Not the versions of them that Rocky beta though, that’s for sure.

Moore was tailor made for Greb imo. He has every tool that has troubled Archie but x1000. If he wasn’t too slick for Burley or prime Bivins he certainly wouldn’t be too slick for Greb

 

Size and quality is not the same.
Not a single fighter of those are good as Walcott,Charles or Moore.
I also proved Ezzard could not be past prime with age just 33 years old and winning 10 of 12 fights even tho Harold fight was a robbery.

 

Moore would kill Greb with size and power and Greb with pillow fist could not even bother Moore.

 

He knocked Wallace and Charley Williams, he was not that past prime as you wanna make him to be.

 

He won against Charles and then lost again unlike their first fight where he was knocked out so no he was not past prime.

 

You did not prove anything, many fighters are past their peak years before reaching 33. Nipper Pat Daly was a shot fighter at 18 because he fought 100+ times beforehand, Sullivan was shot at 33. Winning 10 out of 12 against cans means nothing, he was still clearly past his peak by a significant margin. The Johnson fight was not a robbery.

 

Moore’s size is literally meaningless in a matchup against Greb, he’s overcome much worse size disadvantages against arguably harder punchers and light heavyweights as great or greater than Moore. Greb dances circles around Moore to a pretty clear decision.

 

There was never fighter who was past at age of 33 with 10 wins of his last 12 fights, there are none past prime fighters like that.
Bivins,Layne,Wallace and Satterfield were anything but tomato cans, so yes I proved my point.

 

Whom Greb beat that was as hard puncher and skilled as Moore at the same time?
I am still waiting but nothing would happen.
Moore would kill him and chop him like woods into the hard KO.

 

Who did Moore beat who has a reasonable argument as being the greatest fighter to ever enter a ring?

 

He beat two journeymen which still doesn’t take away from the no-names he was consistently losing to over a four years. Your point?

 

Which once again proves that Charles was also past his prime, since Layne was being battered by no-names during their last 2 fights.

 

No, you haven’t. In fact, I’ve proven my point in that many fighters were past it long before 33, as well as how shot Layne, Charles and Bivins were.

Listing the washed contenders and cans that he beat over that period won’t change how shopworn he was.

 

They weren't

He lost one fight out of eighty and he avenged that loss multiple times, he was probably a bigger threat than Charles or Moore, nevermind that he was a bigger man than both.

We are talking about power proven against heavyweights. Dempsey's power actually showed against big men, he knocked out fulton in 18 seconds. Fulton was at least as good as Layne.

Savold was 190 lbs when not overweight. It's not a name that helps you out here either way because he was shot to bits by then.
Layne was also an in shape 190 pounder but lets say he was borderline 200 lbs.
3 names in and you started naming palookas, already told you I don't care.
So Marciano has one decent borderline 200 lbs name in Layne and one utterly washed up 214 (not 218) pounder in Louis and one utterly washed up overweight Savold. These "brilliant" wins over heavy men are supposed to be better than wins over champion Willard and top contender giants Fred Fulton and Luis Firpo?
Taking seven rounds to blast out 36 year old Savold isn't even nearly as impressive as knocking out Fulton, Willard and Firpo before they even got to round 3. Dempsey demonstrably hit harder than Marciano, he would hit the 1950s division of geriatrics like a nuclear bomb.

John Henry Lewis, Bob Pastor, Billy Conn, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Jack Sharkey, Max Baer, Tommy Farr just to name a few. You can find dozens of greats who had significantly diminished by the time they hit their thirties.