Two Big Punchers square off who wins?

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  1. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fighter A who's coming forward or Fighter B who's fighting on the backfoot?

    I mean historically what has been proven to be the likely scenario;

    Fighter A beats Fighter B or
    Fighter B beats Fighter A.

    Examples?
     
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  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    As you know I favour fighter B personaly, though there are exceptions.

    I am pleased that you have started this thread because sombody should have done it a long time ago.

    I will either be proved right or learn the error of my ways.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    There's no standard here because so many other factors come into play. Hagler is a heart-breaker of a puncher rather than murderous, but he had great success coming for Hearns because of his superior chin.

    Lennox Lewis, on the other hand, destroyed both Tyson and Grant primarily off the back foot/waiting, but he was by far the better boxer/composite puncher...Liston gubbed Willimas of the front foot, but he, too, has an excellent jaw, and was able to work of a technically excellent jab.

    There's no right or wrong answer here.
     
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  4. janitor

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  5. McGrain

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  6. KCD

    KCD All aboard. Full Member

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    Yes Tyson WAS shot when he fought Lewis.

    Just look at the guy's who beat him after, and please no-one say Lewis broke the man.
     
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  7. sp6r=underrated

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    Fighter B would win the fight, assuming all other factors are equal. Fighter A would just expose himself to too much damage.
     
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  8. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    I love Tyson bro..
    But it's hard to watch any "World Tour" era Mike.
    His fight Vs. Brian Nielson should have been a
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    light for Tyson.
    (He looked awful that night, bad balance and fatigue)

    And he fought Lewis after this....
     
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  9. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Impossible to predict. Examples: Zarate went foreward against Gomez & Gomez got the Knockout. Hagler Went after Hearns & Hagler got the Kayo. And with two fighter coming foreward, it's just who lands the big punch first. Zamora-Zarate, Zarate caught him and finished the job. Duran-Cuevas same situation, they went toe to toe and Duran landed first. Also there are alot of different factors involved, Speed, Boxing styles, Chin, Stamina. Many things involved.
     
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  10. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Actually this was a response to you comment on the Tyson vs Liston Thread...So it brought out a larger issue which I though would be a great idea to actually go thru with it.

    Here are some examples of Fighter A's beating Fighter B's:

    Morrison beating Ruddock
    Tyson beating Ruddock
    Liston beating Williams
    Margarito beating Cintron
    Hagler beating Hearns*
    Brewster beating Wlad Klistchko
    Sanders beating Wlad Klitschko
    Dempsey beating Firpo
    Louis beating Baer


    Here are some examples of Fighter B's beating Fighter A's

    Foreman beating Frazier*
    Hearns beating Duran*
    Lewis beating Morrison
    Wlad Klistchko returning the favor to Brewster
    Bell beating Mormeck


    Feel free to come up with examples
     
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  11. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I like the analysis..... however, i think durability is a bigger, or at least as big a factor as who is on the front/back foot. It would also be interesting to consider if the shorter fighter does better than the taller one, statistically. :p
     
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  12. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Durablity is pretty key in this analysis I guess. There are just so many variables including height. Part of me would just like to see which trend is historically more accurate.
     
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  13. janitor

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  14. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    These are kind of ambigious examples I would say. Hearns started off behind his jab, but reverted to be the agressor. He had Duran on the roper when he cold cocked him, after all.

    Foreman started off in a similar manner, but quickly got into his stride and started bullying Frazier around, so I wouldn't really say that either of them fought from the back foot. They rather stood their ground and started moving in when they saw the fight going their way.
     
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  15. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I thought about that....Hence the asterik
     
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