Two questions about Andre Ward

1. No

2. No. He was beating him easily before and after headbutts, intentional or not.

 

Yes, and yes...
The real issue here is that he probably would have won it relatively easy without his dirty tricks, same with the Green fight and I haven't seen the Bika fight completely so can't comment on that.

conclusions:

1) Ward is a dirty fighter
2) He doesn't need it, what makes it even worse.

 

the head-butts rattled Kessler's brain and that's why he lost?

Can you explain why Kessler was clearly losing the fight before any head-butts occurred at all?

What evidence points to any of the head-butts being "deliberate"?

Why would a boxer who is winning every round rather easily suddenly resort to intentional head-butts?

These are questions you need to consider.

 

Even if some were intentional, I would say majority of them were accidental. He was a southpaw coming forward against an orthodox fighter, head clashes happen. I do feel he should have been deducted a point though, he was reckless once or twice but I dont feel it warrants a DQ, point deduction yes, but not a DQ.

I dont think Kessler is that slow of a starter. He usually takes 2-4 rounds to get going and he never showed anything that suggested he was starting to get into the fight against Ward. He was getting throughly outboxed and outfought by the superior fighter on the night and I have no doubt Ward would have won that fight regardless of headbutts.

 

Yes - I saw at least two intentional butts (could be enough for a DQ)

Yes - No matter what anyone says Kessler was groggy after those butts (the first one in the 4th round). I have seen fights where a fighter have lost the first three rounds and still won it. I believe Kessler would have won the fight by KO if he had timed Ward doing his regular Hit - Rush in - Hold. One timed right hand is all it would take.

 

Take him out of Oakland without his personal referee and we will see if he is any good. The stuff he gets away with in Oakland is disgraceful.

 

....Come on, now, man...Do you really believe that or are you some freaky anti-hircine extremist?

 

which round were the intentional head-butts? I want to check them out.

 

Well I hope it would have played out like that..:hey

but...

I believe the butts made sure that was never going to happen.

 

My thoughts exactly! I can't stand watching him cause he's boring and frustrating with all the clinches, headbutts and elbows. And what I don't get is that he doesn't need it. The guy is clearly talented and can beat his opponents without using those tactics. Will Showbox ever make him fight outside of Oakland?

 

He could of been dq'd, but thats the fighter Ward is , but as aformentioned, he would of won anyway, no biggie imo.

 

I don't think Ward's intentions were to headbutt. That being said, a fighter is responsible. I do think he would have been warned at least 2x, then points deducted, if the fight were in Denmark and that may have dissuaded him from charging in like that. I think it would taken 4 blatant HBs to get him DQd. If it had happened, he would have had no one else to blame.

Now, on the flipside, Ward's gameplan become apparent fairly early. Fight at range, or smother Kessler. That is why he rushed in which resulted in the butts. There were plenty of remedies available to Kessler. He didn't do a thing to combat Ward's tactics.he simply stood there and absorbed it, and for that he deserves some scrutiny.

PS- how do many of you guys feel about Hatton's tactics?

 

Most disqualifications happen for repeated intentional fouling such as headbutting, low blows, rabbit punches, biting and the like. Typically, a referee will first verbally warn offenders or direct a point deduction first before disqualifying a boxer.