Two questions about Andre Ward

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jack, Dec 1, 2010.


  1. laffie

    laffie Montreal Full Member

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    That's true. The ref never told him to watch his head. If he had, Ward would have adapted. We are far from a disqualification here, because there were no warning at all (and that's shocking).
     
  2. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    No. It's the punches that Ward keeps landing that is giving these guys so much trouble. Some of you fans are starting to look desperate for ways to convince yourselves that Ward isn't as good as you think he is. Yes, he is that good and he is going to keep beating your favorite fighters at SMW.
     
  3. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    option 3 is the obvious one. I mean no way he gets DQ'd without even being warned or deducted a point. And obviously his headbutting resulted in a Technical Decision which is pretty weak so I'd say it lessened his win.
     
  4. BENNY BLANCO

    BENNY BLANCO R.I.P. Brooklyn1550 Full Member

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    They're not Kessler fans, they're Calzaghe fans who are still bitter at the fact that Ward lessen Calzaghe's win over Kessler.
     
  5. Donnyb

    Donnyb Active Member Full Member

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    Na, we're boxing fans who dont like unfair advantages.
     
  6. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Nope.


    Kessler was out of his league. Instead of fighting his average German cab driver, he was facing a young athletic American from California.


    Kessler could have war a helmet into the ring and he was still getting his belts snatched.
     
  7. Prince

    Prince Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ward is going to win the supersix. WHO ****IN RAAAAAAHHHH
     
  8. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Me either. With Forrest's big right hand I see him possibly stunning Mosley but he's not the finisher a prime Mosley was so I don't see him really taking advantage of that. I too believe a kd wouldn't have happened if Mosley-Forrest 1 had no headbutts.
     
  9. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    This is embarrassing. Does Froch's back of the head shots on Dirrell (Where there were at least 10-15 intentional rabbit punches) and MMA throwdown tactics lessen his "victory" over Dirrell. If it were in America could it have been a DQ?
     
  10. Icanteach2005

    Icanteach2005 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Prety much sums up this shitty thread..

    Yes Ward has a Head that goes along with his style.. As an opponent you know the head is a factor.. why not use the uppercut or get the **** out of tha way.. don't think that you can just stand there.. Ward advance toward his opponents taking up all the important real estate in close quarters sometimes it results in head butts because his opponents don't want to give that pivital position away.. While not trying to give that space away to a quickly advancing Ward they leave themselves in harms way.. What im sayin is Ward is going to put you in some uncomfortable spots.. the last 4 fight his opponents have been fustrated by his movments that knock them off balance, **** up their timeing, and make them loose punching leverage.. look at the tapes... Ward is good.. I wonder if Bute has a plan for his head..or will Ward switch up his style...?
     
  11. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Kessler got baby raped. The headbutts were a complete and total non factor.
     
  12. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Ward won by intentional headbutt, even the biased commentators said it was intentional. Ward refused to fight in the tournament unless he got all his fights in his home town with his personal referee and judges. Ward did not want Bute in the tournament. Will he leave Showtime if they ask him to fight Bute?
     
  13. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The first two rounds were pretty much even and I thought Kessler won the second. Ward stole the round in the crowds eyes with two jabs, which both landed clean, an uppercut when he was holding and then a decent right hand. The rest of the round was Kessler's, though, for whatever reason, the commentary, apart from Tarver, was biased at this stage. They were making out that Ward was in control already, yet he clearly wasn't.

    Round 3: The third round was Ward's, no doubt, but it's also when the headbutts started. Look around the 1:15 mark to see Ward lead with his head. It didn't connect, but this is the type of thing the referee should be warning against. Towards the end of the round, with Kessler rushing, Ward brings his head straight up towards Kessler's and the referee checks both guys for a cut. It caused swelling under his eye, which later developed into a cut.

    Round 7: Around the 2:00 mark, you see Ward charging in twice with his head in the air. He connects once and, again, the referee should be telling him about this. From the hard camera, it's impossible to tell whether he was looking or not.

    Round 8: Ward charges in several times with the head, most notably around the 40 second point. Obviously deliberate. Later in the round, he looks at Kessler, turns his head and deliberately butts him. In the replay after round 9, you can see how deliberate it was.

    Round 9: 1:15, Ward rushes in with his head aimed directly towards Kessler. 0:58, they trade shots and Ward charges in again whilst looking at Kessler. 0:30 Ward pushing his head up against Kessler's cut left eye. Again, he should be warned at the very least.

    Round 10: Probably the most deliberate. Ward rushes in, raises his head once again, whilst throwing no shots, and lands his head flush. Sounds sickening and looked brutal and deliberate,

    If there had been two or three, you could say that it wasn't Ward's fault and it was accidental. However, you can't constantly clash heads because you're doing the same thing over and over, and not realize. Even if Ward wasn't doing it intentionally, why not stop charging in with his head over and over again, when they were clashing? In boxing, you just can't charge forward like he did many, many times. It's dangerous, as this fight proves, and illegal.

    Apart from Kessler himself, the referee did a poor job. How many times did he say "Stop holding" to Ward or tell him about his arm/elbow? He noted after the fight there were 5 accidental headbutts, yet at what point does the referee have to intervene? Even if they were accidental, it's his job to stop those things from happening because it's 100% inevitable it will happen, when a fighter charges in like Ward did, over and over again.

    There's a point when something which is accidental, should be stopped. I do think several were blatant but even if we are saying they were accidental, I think everyone should agree that there should have been warnings.
     
  14. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly. You can argue some of all were deliberate but even if all were accidental, Ward should have been told to stop charging in, head first, time and time again.
     
  15. Jimbob

    Jimbob Active Member Full Member

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    It's not Ward's fault that Kessler was to slow and flat footed to move out of the way, standing completely upright, not getting his punches off.

    Now due to both fighters styles Ward would be completely aware that a clash of heads could happen when he stepped in, but so would Kessler.

    There is a big difference between intentionally setting out to butt somebody rather than knowing your style could lead of a clash of heads, but thinking its though if your opponent can't do anything about it. Which is what was going on in the Kessler fight.