"Two Ton" Tony Galento vs Ken Norton

I am not even sure that he would need a knockout to win to be honest.

With the kind of punch output he showed in the first Charles fight, he might well take a decision.

 

Hes not out pointing Holmes, holmes was actually never out pointed when 100% and the fights they think were close really weren't. No one of Rockys structure barring Tyson (SPEED) is out pointing him. Even with speed Marciano in all likely hood loses hes no M. Tyson on a talent level or power.

 

You understand wrong, he was six feet tall.

Name: Jersey Joe Walcott
Birth Name: Arnold Raymond Cream
Born: 1914-01-31
Birthplace: Pennsauken, New Jersey, USA
Died: 1994-02-25 (Age:80)
Hometown: Camden, New Jersey, USA
Stance: Orthodox
Height: 6′ 0″ / 183cm
Reach: 74″ / 188cm

Holmes is a huge heavyweight compared to Marciano who never faced a young ,quality guy of those dimensions.

 

You understand wrong, he was six feet tall.

Name: Jersey Joe Walcott
Birth Name: Arnold Raymond Cream
Born: 1914-01-31
Birthplace: Pennsauken, New Jersey, USA
Died: 1994-02-25 (Age:80)
Hometown: Camden, New Jersey, USA
Stance: Orthodox
Height: 6′ 0″ / 183cm
Reach: 74″ / 188cm

Holmes is a huge heavyweight compared to Marciano who never faced a young ,quality guy of those dimensions.

 

You clearly understand a lot about boxing, but you do not understand the swarmer.

Somebody like Marciano is arguably a much greater threat to somebody like Holmes, than somebody like Tyson.

Tyson is a serious threat to knock you out early, but not that much of a threat in the second half of the fight.

A Marciano or Frazier is not going to put Holmes on ***** Street early, but they will make him deal with constant pressure throughout the fight.

Against Tyson the fight gets better for Holmes with every round he survives.

Against Marciano the fight gets worse for Holmes with every round he survives.

 

He was in there for his pension,he could have gotten up, but decided he didn't want to put himself through it all over again.

 

A smaller, slower, Marciano is a much greater threat to Holmes than Tyson ? Yeah right!

 

Im not comparing the style ,im comparing the fighters . You dont compare greatness ,you match the individual skills and opposition they fought and how each fared ,then make an assessment . Holmes should be a clear favorite when you then incude both height and weight ,,reach . Somebody like Marciano a greater threat to Holmes than Tyson ? Not possible .

 

Fights do not only turn on physical dimensions and skills, they also turn on styles, and some styles do disproportionately well/badly against other styles.

Marciano happens to have a style that matches up well with that of Holmes.

He also has physical advantages over Holmes, in terms of his power and work rate.

Yes he does pose a greater threat to Holmes than Tyson does in some ways, and I will explain to you why.

Tyson is a pure finisher who goes for an early knockout in a systematic way, but then settles down to a more sedate pace later in the fight.

Marciano is a pure swarmer who applies sustained pressure over the course of a fight, is capable of averaging 85 punches per round over the course of a 15 round fight, and systematically breaks his opponents down in the later rounds.

While Tyson would be more likely to obtain an early stoppage against Holmes, Marciano would be a greater threat to him in the later rounds.

 

The biggest reason that Tyson didn't KO a lot of guys late was because he had already KO'd them early.

Contending that Marciano is a "much greater threat to Holmes than somebody like Tyson" is ludicrous. We saw what Tyson did to Holmes, something no other fighter was able to do before or after in Larry's very long career.

 

Norton dominates Galento .

 

Tyson has only gone the distance 4 times , two being 10 rounders under Rooney . He out jabbed Holmes even and once he got into rythm it was over . Marciano was a slow starter so to think letting Holmes jab get into rythm against a far slower guy who didn't have the Tyson quick step either to cut the ring off like him , out points Holmes over the course of 15 suggests otherwise .He would need a k.o and history shows that Tyson was the only one to do that ,no 5'9 lacking speed is getting past the Holmes jab either , it doesnt matter if Tyson settles down later ,he was never in danger of losing on points and had the counter punching abilities to land against any sized opponent of top level skills.

You are trying to sell Marciano as guy who would walk Holmes down ,first he would need to land on him consistently ,there is no evidence of Holmes would lose here ,Marciano would need a body shot really which could happen ,but realistically Holmes pin point speed kills Marcianos unrefined pressure style . You are going around logic at every turn my last post breaks down how to determine a most likely outcome ,you just cant use the style card without matching each strengths and weaknesses against each other. Styles have skills that go with them ,you just cant claim fighter A defeats B on the basis of a style alone.

 

This fact actually shouts at you doesn't it? lol Tyson 's hand speed is light years faster than Marciano's!

 

His hand speed was faster because he wasn't hitting as hard as Marciano did with every punch. Two different styles.