Two-way jab clinics/fencing duels.

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yes - two fine jab technicians!
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    How about Conteh vs. Lopez? :deal
     
  3. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Wlad v.s Pulev although it hasn't happened yet... it's been quite a long time since Wlad has had to face someone with a jab as good as Pulevs.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Eh...he used to have a beautiful Kronk-style jab, but Wladimir of late has fallen into the habit of using his far less aesthetically pleasing (and some would argue, illegal) Heisman-trophy push-pole extended-and-left-inert version of the 'jab'...and worse, only throwing real jabs exclusively as part of a 'jab-and-grab' combo.

    Pulev vs. the Wlad of a few years ago would indeed be a very interesting chess match with the jab on either side of the board serving as the "queen", the most important piece in the arsenal.
     
  5. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Great topic. Winky-Taylor is a underrated fight. I thought Winky deserved the win but for whatever reason took the last round off.
     
  6. Super Hans

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    Rigondeaux v Anselmo Moreno would be a jab fest.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Sergey Dzinziruk is an example of someone who lived and died by the jab all the way, racking up a 37-0 record without ever having anyone challenge the supremacy of his southpaw jab.

    The best chance probably belonged to underrated LukᚠKonečný (who like Dzyna himself existed in the negative space between European level, which both were clearly superior to, and world class elite status, which both of them as WBO titlists came near but didn't penetrate), but the Bohemian pug fought the wrong game plan, completely eschewing his decent left jab and forgetting the #1 rule of dealing with southpaws: make them circle into a straight right hand as often as you can - instead proving overly reliant from the opening bell on left hooks to Dzinziruk's well-protected body and head, with the occasional lunging overhand right.

    Dzinziruk beat Konečný - along with 36 others - with jabs alone.

    Then he took his cash-out opportunity, moving up to middleweight to challenge Sergio Gabriel Martinez.

    He was a 4/1 underdog, but his saving grace was thought of as his busy, stinging, accurate jab. If he could disguise it and keep his timing down, maybe he could have pockets of success keeping Maravilla honest and trampling his rhythm on the outside, with that stick of his. Martinez was never considered much of a jab-dependent boxer. It just wasn't part of his routine, at least not in the form of a standalone or set-up punch. (he did throw what technically could be termed jabs, since they were his lead right hand thrown straight, but primarily just in the midst of combinations)

    Martinez took him to school and raped him with jabs (rendering Dzinziruk's own completely impotent) en route to a TKO after scoring five knockdowns, all set up by the jab.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x10eim3_sergio-martinez-vs-sergeuy-dzinziruk_sport

    Jab stats:

    Martinez 147 of 384, 38%
    Dzinziruk 80 of 242, 33%

    Martinez averaged 18 landed of 48 thrown per round that night. (double the middleweight average)

    A bit too one-sided to join those listed in the OP and some of the other great suggestions in here, but an interesting case of a non-jabber completely dismantling a jabber with his own weapon.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Let's give this a shot in Classic...
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I can't imagine that Tunney-Loughran would have gone any other way.
     
  10. Flea Man

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    That was a one-sided display of beautiful left-handedness, as was Saad-Lopez I.
     
  11. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As well as everything else that he had, Mike McCallum had a superb jab and used it in 2s and 3s (as you taught) against Koney, Kalumbay and especially against Michael Watson.
    John Conteh fought more or less one handed against Saad Muhammad but still managed to makes a mess of the Americans face with his jab.
    Joe Louis, so rumour had it, broke Tommy Farr's nose with his very first punch, a left jab but Tommy Bach kept it at distance and matched him jab for jab.
    Best display of a left jab ???? Ken Buchanan taking Donato Puduano to school
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    All worthy mentions as practitioners of the art, t - but we're sniffing out specifically those special times when both corners brought A+ jabs into the fray.
     
  13. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Both Ali and Liston had good jabs, one was very quick and accurate the other was a face breaker but in this case speed beat power.
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :thumbsup

    Clay vs. Liston I definitely is a great shout. Two completely different types of jab with different purposes, and both effective in their own way.

    If anything Liston was far more known for his jab than Clay, and you're right, Clay's much faster one turned everything his way - so you could say he did outjab the jabber.
     
  15. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    that thing that Liston threw was really loaded up, no wonder he bust up chuck wepner.
    By then sonny was too slow to connect with right hand to the liver but his jab looked awesome