Typically guys who rise in weight successfully are tall with wide clavicles

Yep, most guys who move up in weight were tall enough to be average height at the weight they eventually stop moving up. Hearns was as tall as a light-heavyweight. Bob Foster was tall as a heavyweight. Ray Robinson was as tall as a super middleweight, but his reach was a middleweight's. Alexis Arguello stood as tall as a middleweight. Hopkins was a typical light heavyweight. Michael Spinks was as tall as a heavyweight.

I give more credit to the guys who move up in weight to places where they are shorter than average and give up reach. Henry Armstrong, Mickey Walker, Roberto Duran, James Toney, Manny Pacquiao, and Pernell Whitaker are great at this kind of thing. Dick Tiger, Emile Griffith, Tony Canzoneri, Vicente Saldivar, Esteban De Jesus, and Ray Mancini were also a little small for their divisions.

 

Anyone who moves up has the same problems as anyone else. Just because someone is tall like Hearns, does not mean he does not have disadvantages. Hearns looked smaller in bone structure than Hill, and still beat him. I think if a guy is tall at a lower weight there is credit to be given the other way, since they ahd to work hard and train to get down in weight and they put in the same work as anyone else does.

 

Oh, really? Why don't you try fighting a guy who has six inches of height and a foot more reach than you?

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Anyone who moves up has the same problems as anyone else? Get the **** out of here. Dwight Qawi had a much tougher time moving to heavyweight than Michael Spinks.

 

Were you masturbating while you made this thread? None of that junk you posted is true, stop drooling over men’s physique.

 

Bone structure, age, height all make a huge difference..................

 

It definitely must help if you have the big frame to move up, so you are not at an obvious size disadvantage. But for every Hopkins or Hearns there will be a Bob Foster somewhere who can't make the transition up and succeed or a Manny Pacquiao who despite being dwarfed will move up and dominate.

The difficulty of moving up a weight class is never just about the height and reach of opponents. You also have to adapt to the superior, strength, power, weight of the guys in the higher division.

The division may also be far more competitive and have far better opposition than the division you came from. It's far easier to move up in weight if the opposition there is inferior.

 

it is hard for everyone. Making excuses for people does not eliminate bad showing. Duran had a good punch all the time. There are advantages to short guys and tall guys. Tyson had a style which helped him. Pazienza moved up and did well at 168.. Almost better than at 135. Whoever wins a title and moves up deserves credit for the same way.

 

Correction, Tyson's style was developed specifically for his specific size and attributes. If he wasn't as short as he is he might have developed an altogether different style. The fact that he was able to develop such an awesome style for his disadvantage or limited stature is a credit to Cus. Cus wanted him to be a World Champ so his style was meant to combat the much taller and longer fighters of his time. Saying his style helped him is glossing over some big details.

 

Yes because he was killing himself to make LHW, big difference there.

 

And spottier one too.

 

Can Lomachenko survive flush shots from Cotto, Mosley, Bradley, Rios, Vargas, Clottey, Margarito, Horn, JuicedMM, or Fluid Jr.?

They only guy who wouldn't KO Lomachenko is Algieri.

 

Linares 100% could carry more weight, shoulders are wide as hell....Loma should stay at 135, its his ceiling

 

most fighters who we know are great obviously developed their attributes around their size. What would Duran or Hearns be without who they were. Or Hagler with that 75 inch reach and southpaw style and solid body type. Well maybe it is glossing over, but Mike was a strong compact guy and he used his style of headmovement to work inside work the body and come up to the head. And Cus developed that.. I remember Cus analyzing Hearns vs. Leonard for Sports Illustrated in 1981 and reading that he didn't like Hearns rhythm of punches. He said most great fighters punch Ta Ta Ta Ta .. Hearns rhythm was TA TA TA TA … It was interesting and it showed me he really was into the combination rhythms and intricasies. As it turned out. Hearns turned out better than he thought he would. But I remember his comment. I am not sure why I mention this.