Tyson angry after getting owned in sparring.

Johnny_B · May 9, 2020

SerbianLoudmouth said: ↑

You are the one who here bull**** too much!Tyson tried his best best and Lewis had hard time first two times!
After that according to all who witnessed Tyson got beaten!After few sparing Lewis started to dominate him like never did before!Cus saw that and said to Tyson to be careful because he would face Tyson some day!Yeah right nobody gets beaten but Tyson got beaten by few of them!
"And Tyson was just a kid when he spared Holyfield. Plus, yet again, they didn't go all out, it's just sparring"
Another excuses by stupid Tyson fan!He was not kid he was very good and experienced and prepared for Olympics and he was enough experienced to fight at Jr Olympics!So that excuse I put down!
Second thing what about weight difference?Holyfield was not even 185 and Tyson was 200 pounder!So it was LHW against HW!
They had same experience,Tyson was not a kid and even was bigger and outweighed Holy by atleast 15lb!
So LHW beat HW!Holyfield had more rights to use excuse because they called him to spar with winner of Golden gloves and Jr Olympics who was bigger than him and even then Holyfield beat him!
I put you down and I will put you like every other Tyson boy with excuses!
So I proved he ducked Foreman and he was beaten so wanna do this yourself anymore because I had all the time to put you down?
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You didn't prove ****. Foreman declined Don King's offer to fight Tyson and sued Holyfield.

VVMM · May 9, 2020

SerbianLoudmouth said: ↑

Mike Tyson flatly refused a Foreman fight, telling Don King in the presence of Hall of Famer Bobby Goodman and other witnesses that he would not fight Foreman

Bobby Goodman has said repeatedly on the record, backed by six other people, and never disputed by Mike Tyson, "****in' Tyson is scared **** less of Foreman and wants no part of him. I was there when Don was trying to make the fight. He was telling Tyson that Foreman represented huge money, plus he was old and slow and would be no problem. Tyson got up and screamed at King saying, 'I'm not fight in' that ****in' animal, if you love the mother****er so much, you fight him!'"

Those writers who belittle Frank Lotizero, who chronicled these events in 1990 are slandering a highly respected, award winning journalist with no proof

Frank Lotierzo is an award winning staff writer for NY Fights. Over the years, his work has appeared in ESPN, The Sweet Science, Boxing Illustrated, Fight Game, Ring, Cox’s Corner, and Boxing Scene. He also works on ESPN radio. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, he was an amateur boxer based out of Philadelphia and trained by George Benton. He is a member of the International Boxing Research Organization and a member of the Boxing Writers Association of America.

Lotierzo in his nearly 40 year career, has never been accused of any wrongdoing in any story. Never. Anyone calling him a hack, or accusing him of fabricating a story is simply slandering an award winning journalist with no proof except fanboy resentment that he reports facts as they are.

Award winning journalist Frank Lotizero broke this story 30 years ago, it has been reprinted six times, never denied by Mike

Frank Lotierzo, on the record for Cox's Corner, said it best 30 years ago: "I haven't a morsel of a doubt that Tyson just doesn't match up with Foreman, and he knows it. Tyson of 1990 was afraid of an old Foreman."

According to highly respected boxing writer and historian Frank Lotierzo, he went to out to eat with Georgie Benton, Lou Duva and Bobby Goodman on June 1, 1990. (all were in Atlantic City for the Holyfield - McDonagh fight) At the time, Goodman was Don King's matchmaker. Lotierzo had known Benton for many years, and through him Duva. He had been introduced to Goodman a couple weeks before Tyson fought Larry Holmes at the Convention Center in Atlantic City in January 1988.

While the group was eating that day in 1990, according to Lotierzo, who has written and spoken about this extensively, and Goodman, who has spoken about it on the record, Benton said, "Bobby, what's up with Foreman and Tyson, how come they're not fighting each other on the 16th? Isn't that the fight that King was trying to make?"

Goodman then said, "Georgie, You'll never believe this but, ****in' Tyson is scared **** less of Foreman and wants no part of him. I was there when Don was trying to make the fight. He was telling Tyson that Foreman represented huge money, plus he was old and slow and would be no problem. Tyson got up and screamed at King saying, 'I'm not fight in' that ****in' animal, if you love the mother****er so much, you fight him!'"

Lotierzo also wrote and has said that all through the lunch Goodman, Duva, Benton, and himself shared stories on the fight game. In addition to what he had already said about Tyson and Foreman, Goodman added later, "oh I remember why else Tyson wanted no parts of Foreman. He said that King had found out from Steve Lott that Tyson and Cus D'Amato used to watch the Frazier-Foreman fight over and over." He went on to say that Tyson loved that fight because he was awed by Foreman's power and Frazier's toughness and how he kept getting up after every knockdown.

Goodman also told the group that Lott told King that Cus sat alongside Tyson saying, "It's suicide against Foreman if you're short and fight a swarming attacking style like Marciano or Frazier." Cus, of course, never dreamed that Foreman could be a possible Tyson opponent so many years later. According to Goodman, Cus said the only fighters who had a chance against Foreman were, tall rangy fighters who could fight him from a distance while moving away from him, and no way any swarmer could beat Foreman by going to him.

Lotierzo has written on the record that he subsequently talked to people who were involved with promoting Foreman, including Ron Weathers who promoted some of Foreman's fights after his coming out of retirement. Weathers told Lotierzo the same story. The fight didn't happen because of Tyson's fear of losing to Big George. Bob Arum also said that he dreamed of making Foreman -Tyson. He said it would be huge money and that Foreman would stop Tyson easier than he did Frazier. Lotierzo also wrote he has heard the same story, of Tyson fearing Foreman from George's brother Roy who was his business manager.

The story was confirmed on the record by six people, and reprinted 6 times in 30 years without anyone, including Mike, disputing a syllable

Lotierzo confirmed the facts of this story with those present that day, Goodman, Benton, and Lou Duva, Roy Weathers, Roy Foreman, Don King, and Bob Arum

Not one person, including Mike Tyson, have disputed one fact in 30 years, while the story has been reprinted six times, and featured on ESPN.

For people who claim this is only "hearsay," a journalist's sources, undisputed by 4 people who were there, including Mike Tyson, for 28 years, that claim is absurd. They simply do not want to believe Tyson didn’t want the fight. (Mike himself doesn't deny it!)

The original story, well sourced, and undisputed, is reprinted on the Sweet Science, online here:

Why We Never Saw Foreman-Tyson

George also discusses Mike not wanting to fight him here:

Foreman: We Had Serious Talks, Mike Tyson Didn't Want To Fight

Frank Lotierzo, on the record for Cox's Corner, said it best 30 years ago: "I haven't a morsel of a doubt that Tyson just doesn't match up with Foreman, and he knows it. If Tyson of 1990 was afraid of an old Foreman, think how petrified he would of been of a prime Foreman, the one who stared down both Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali in 1973 and 1974."

The claims George said he was afraid of Tyson don’t mention that those statements were made 30 years later, with George in his lovable Grandpa mode

George has made various statements through the years, and the claims he said he was afraid of Tyson, blah, blah, blah, are based solely off a recent interview (available - of course - on you-tube) in which George did his usual self effacing Grandpa schick, which he perfected to sell products he advertises.

George also said recently he hid under his bed watching Deontay Wilder fight.

Anyone who believes either should immediately be forced to go buy 14 Foreman grills.

A better grasp on what Foreman really thinks is what he said close to the events in question, in his autobiography By George, where he said “I never feared any man on earth. If I said I did, its because you are supposed to say those things.”

Foreman made extremely clear at the time, as he said, “Mike would have had to come to me, just like Joe Frazier, and that would be that.”

Just like Cus told Mike back in the late 70’s…

Only in a never was reality would Tyson have taken a Foreman fight!

Mike Tyson, a student of the fight game, watched films of Foreman, and was convinced he was just too strong, and would have overwhelmed the much smaller man. Now given that Foreman was 45 after Moorer, and much slower than in 1990, Mike might have been able to avoid his blows and survive - but I still doubt it.

Mike has a 71 inch reach, 8 1/2 inches shorter than Foreman’s. He would have to come to him, as Cus warned him not to do, and would have been hit on the way in.

Goodnight Mike…
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You're an idiota.

SerbianLoudmouth · May 10, 2020

VVMM said: ↑

You're an idiota.
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You are moronic Tyson stupid fan as every his fan!
Once I pull facts and put down your stupid excuses you tried insult but I put you down and I will put you every time!
Tyson ducked Foreman and proved that!You are just moronic fan who lives in delusion and can not deal with that your stupid hero ducked old Foreman!

SerbianLoudmouth · May 10, 2020

Johnny_B said: ↑

You didn't prove ****. Foreman declined Don King's offer to fight Tyson and sued Holyfield.
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I proved everything with facts and many witness who claimed Tyson was scared!Foreman never declined Don King offer but he did not want Don King involved in fight!
He challenged Tyson and called him out!But Tyson declined 3 offers from Foreman!
I put your Tysonite moronic ass down did I?
Tyson ducked Holyfield. I was one of the many reporters who asked Tyson, at the post fight news conferences after his wins over lesser fighters, “will you fight Holyfield next?” And Tyson would never commit to fight him. And when the news conference ended, Holyfield would say to us reporters, “why won’t he fight me?” Holyfield was at every one of Tyson’s title defenses asking that same question. Then a few weeks later, Tyson would announce another defense over another lesser challenger. There’s an ESPN “30-for-30” documentary called “Chasing Tyson” that shows how Tyson, every time he was interviewed, was asked about Holyfield , but still didn’t fight him. The whole boxing world wanted to see it happen, except Tyson and his people. Holyfield, upon moving up to heavyweight in 1988, had beaten two former Tyson opponents, Quick Tillis and Pinklon Thomas, to prove he was a viable opponent for Tyson. In 1989, to bolster his efforts to force Tyson to fight him, Holyfield began knocking off several highly ranked heavies: Michael Dokes who was 37–1, Adilson Rodriguez, 35–2, and unbeaten Alex Stewart, 24–0. I don’t understand why some people on Quora attempt to answer these questions without checking the record, but those are the facts. And still, Tyson signed to fight Buster Douglas, who had 4 losses on his record, rather than the undefeated Holyfield. Tyson then finally gave in to the pressure and signed to fight Holyfield, but Douglas prevented that from happening when he beat Tyson. To his credit, Douglas behaved like a true champion and gave Holyfield an overdue shot at the title in his first defense.
The Chicago Tribune stated Tyson pulled out of his bout with Holyfield because of a rib injury. “
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/11/sports/here-is-why-holyfield-was-not-afraid-of-tyson.html
He ducked Lewis also!

Johnny_B · May 10, 2020

SerbianLoudmouth said: ↑

I proved everything with facts and many witness who claimed Tyson was scared!Foreman never declined Don King offer but he did not want Don King involved in fight!
He challenged Tyson and called him out!But Tyson declined 3 offers from Foreman!
I put your Tysonite moronic ass down did I?
Tyson ducked Holyfield. I was one of the many reporters who asked Tyson, at the post fight news conferences after his wins over lesser fighters, “will you fight Holyfield next?” And Tyson would never commit to fight him. And when the news conference ended, Holyfield would say to us reporters, “why won’t he fight me?” Holyfield was at every one of Tyson’s title defenses asking that same question. Then a few weeks later, Tyson would announce another defense over another lesser challenger. There’s an ESPN “30-for-30” documentary called “Chasing Tyson” that shows how Tyson, every time he was interviewed, was asked about Holyfield , but still didn’t fight him. The whole boxing world wanted to see it happen, except Tyson and his people. Holyfield, upon moving up to heavyweight in 1988, had beaten two former Tyson opponents, Quick Tillis and Pinklon Thomas, to prove he was a viable opponent for Tyson. In 1989, to bolster his efforts to force Tyson to fight him, Holyfield began knocking off several highly ranked heavies: Michael Dokes who was 37–1, Adilson Rodriguez, 35–2, and unbeaten Alex Stewart, 24–0. I don’t understand why some people on Quora attempt to answer these questions without checking the record, but those are the facts. And still, Tyson signed to fight Buster Douglas, who had 4 losses on his record, rather than the undefeated Holyfield. Tyson then finally gave in to the pressure and signed to fight Holyfield, but Douglas prevented that from happening when he beat Tyson. To his credit, Douglas behaved like a true champion and gave Holyfield an overdue shot at the title in his first defense.
The Chicago Tribune stated Tyson pulled out of his bout with Holyfield because of a rib injury. “
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/11/sports/here-is-why-holyfield-was-not-afraid-of-tyson.html
He ducked Lewis also!
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Good joke. Tyson had no reason whatsoever to fear Holyfield in the late 80's, early 90's.

Wass1985 · May 10, 2020

Johnny_B said: ↑

Good joke. Tyson had no reason whatsoever to fear Holyfield in the late 80's, early 90's.
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Pity that poorly rib stopped him from getting in the ring. He must have had flashbacks to when Tillis hurt him badly to the body, I bet he was having nightmares about Holyfield's left hook to the bread basket.

Johnny_B · May 10, 2020

Wass1985 said: ↑

Pity that poorly rib stopped him from getting in the ring. He must have had flashbacks to when Tillis hurt him badly to the body, I bet he was having nightmares about Holyfield's left hook to the bread basket.
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Holyfield was just beginning his steroid cycle in the late 80's, he wasn't that big yet. Tyson would have destroyed him.

Wass1985 · May 10, 2020

Johnny_B said: ↑

Holyfield was just beginning his steroid cycle in the late 80's, he wasn't that big yet. Tyson would have destroyed him.
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Don't tell me, tell Tyson after all it's him who pulled out of their fight faking a rib injury....

Shahpoor Saiq · May 10, 2020

Wass1985 said: ↑

Don't tell me, tell Tyson after all it's him who pulled out of their fight faking a rib injury....
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How was it fake?

mark ant · May 10, 2020

Johnny_B said: ↑

Evander is nothing without his steroids.
Tyson would have beaten him in 91.
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Holy was more skilled than Tyson by `91 but has stated he only realised how to beat Mike after defeating Bowe in their rematch, in his first bout v Bowe he was far too easy to hit, he stated in anotyer interview that he could evade Mike`s punches easier than Foreman`s because Mike`s punch came round and Evander would just put his gloves to the side of his head and dip his head forwards.

Titan1 · May 10, 2020

Charlietf said: ↑

Prime holyfield beats any version of Tyson and even by stoppage
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Can't see it. Whitfield not being scared of Mike helps him survive a few more rounds, but he is still losing, most likely by knockout around 9, 10 rounds.

SerbianLoudmouth · May 10, 2020

Johnny_B said: ↑

Good joke. Tyson had no reason whatsoever to fear Holyfield in the late 80's, early 90's.
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Good joke by stupid Tyson fan!
He feared Holyfield for 3 reasons!
1st-He beat him in sparing
2nd-he was fearless
3rd-he destroyed Douglas and didnot duck Cooper and Foreman!
Holyfield also beat Tillis twice easier!
He had reasons and pulled broken rib as excuse!

SerbianLoudmouth · May 10, 2020

Johnny_B said: ↑

Holyfield was just beginning his steroid cycle in the late 80's, he wasn't that big yet. Tyson would have destroyed him.
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Holyfield was big enough always because style makes foghts!Holyfield beat Tyson in sparing when he was LHW and Tyson was HW!
Even then he beat him!Tyson would destroy him like he destroyed Douglas?
He was big enough to fight stronger Cooper and Foreman and knocked Douglas in 3 rounds!
Holyfield would beat Tyson same way he did in 1996!He was so small that he fought alot atronger Foreman and Cooper and knocked Douglas who beat Tyson!He knocked Douglas in 3 rounds!
He would beat Tyson easier than Douglas!

DanDaly · May 10, 2020

It's always the usual suspects having a pissing contest over who can call the other a bigger idiot...

SerbianLoudmouth · May 10, 2020

Shahpoor Saiq said: ↑

How was it fake?
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It is fake he used fake excuse like everytime because he showed fake documents from doctor!Just like he used fake ***** and fake ****!

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