Tyson best case scenario after Prison, how does he do?

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  1. UFC2015

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    The opponents were not the problem, his training habits were. The only thing he needed to do was to just get back to Rooney and start off from where it all began. But the fact is he never wanted to put in the road work which was required to become a world champion again.
     
  2. Wass1985

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    Of course you know this Desiree.....
     
  3. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    no way he makes it through that many tough opponents/fights and lasts until '03 to beat Jones

    I don't think he would have beaten Lewis at any time post prison

    Prime for prime, yes, but not post prison.

    I don't think any trainer, even Rooney, could get him back to his prime level.

    That ship had sailed.
     
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    He could've still beaten most guys even if only trained 50%. Holyfield was a big issue. They thought he was nearly shot, but he wasn't. Tyson trained well for the rematch and still didn't find a way to win. It was a bad style match up for Tyson at that point.



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  5. UFC2015

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    Disagree on Lewis, i think he still had a decent chance to beat Lewis from 1995-97, he still had fast explosive power in his hands at that time (obviously not pre-prison levels), his accuracy and timing was horribly bad but the Tyson who showed up against Bruno 2 and the Holyfield rematch is good enough to get a few punches to Lenni's face.

    Tommy Brooks and all Tyson handlers at the time complained about Tysons work ethic and training habits in the gym and i believe them.
     
  6. Saad54

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    I believe them too, I just think, even with a great trainer and a better work ethic, it would have been impossible to get his skill level back to what it had been in his prime ('86-89) - due to punishment he received in 1990-1991 and the long layoff.
     
  7. Sangria

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    Yep, I remember this. I also remember the idea being scratched when Bruno was lined up third out of the gate.

    I don't think he fights Bowe after Moorer, but the two fights with Golota might prove otherwise and Bowe might've been looked upon as damage goods coming in.

    I think Morrison was next in line after Moorer. That would've been a HUGE money fight. If we're honest any Tyson fight would've made tons o cash around this time. But fans wanted to see Mike going up against a supposedly "
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    If Tyson gets to Holyfield unscathed in '98 I feel he has a good chance of winning. Problem with that is Tyson wasn't getting any better with each passing fight. He was getting worse, in my opinion. Maybe he shakes some rust off and prepares for Holyfield better. Or maybe he becomes more spoiled and brash with every win.

    If Tyson makes it that far, the fight with Lewis would take place after Holyfield and before Bowe. And Lewis would last longer than 3 rounds I'm afraid.

    Ibeabuchi would've been dangerous but without a proper gauge (I think the Tua fight was sweet, just not top level) I have to pick Tyson by stoppage. Tua was a poor man's Tyson with weird hippy lettuce and a left hook.

    Post prison Tyson was creating bad habits. Jay Bright wasn't bright enough to be pulling strings. Foot work, timing, conditioning were way off. His hand speed had slowed down and he became a spoiled brat who didn't want to do the things that made him successful.
     
  8. Sangria

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    You're probably right. Tyson seemed rather C0CKY after dismantling(?) Seldon. He might've thought he was back after only 8 rounds but ran into a determined Holyfield.
     
  9. Sangria

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    Yeah some posters here think Tyson was better preserved after spending time in the clink. I understand their reasoning but the time away hurt Tyson more than the self preservation helped. Maybe winning the championship 10 years after first winning it puts Tyson in that category with only Ali and Foreman, this is a55uming he loses to Holyfield in their proposed November '91 match.
     
  10. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I listed the assumptions to get an idea how good he was in 1996-97, Of course the scenario is completely unrealistic but i wanted to take a look at tyson as a fighter in terms of athleticism and skill without taking into account his mind which would have never made the scenario possible.
    He was too diminished to get to wlad and some of the others by the late nineties because he spent another 5 months in jail after holyfield and had a 1.5 year layoff. In this scenario he would be active and training hard so we can assume he does not deteriorate nearly as fast as he did in real life

    Now to some of the predicted results that you guys dont agree with....
    I put W KO 12 to Roy Jones because he would have caught him eventually, maybe round 12 is too late but he would have gotten him. No way roy survives that long with a huge agressive puncher, the reason roy beat ruiz was because ruiz was standing around being timid not throwing any punches. He didnt have an agressive personality, he was too much of a nice guy. Tyson isnt.
    Yes he Takes Lewis out any time before the nielsen fight. We know that tyson was in much better shape, more elusive and faster from 1995-2000 than he was in 2002 so he probably lastseven longer than 8 rounds with lewis if they aactually fought. Lets say 10 maybe. Now thats 10 rounds, 30 minutes that tyson has to reach Lewis' chin just once with a good shot. Thats all he needs one good right hand or left hook to knock out lewis(or atleast stun him, freeze him or hurt him. Tyson is an ATG finisher, if lewis gets hurt against him he's done). In 2002 Tyson did not land a single good right hand or left hook to Lewis' Head. He was too slow and was out of gas early. Anytime from 1995 to 2000 He ws much faster, had better timing and accuracy, which means he has a much better chance of landing that one shot he needs and he was in better shape and mre elusive so he has more time and more attempts to land that shot before Lewis knocks him out.