Tyson-Dempsey comparison

You come across as a know-it-all. HUGE MISTAKE. Eddie Ezzard made some good points in his post. And I've never knocked Dempsey for sitting on the title while trying to make his endorsements because, like you've pointed out above, since movies were his "other" line of work. He hit the big time.

 

What boxer isn't a head case? You sure you're not picking and choosing what Atlas had to say? Rooney and Lott have never said Tyson was a mentally fragile character with no heart!

 

Higher than what? Ring had him rated 8th in their poll. SHould he be higher?

Refer to PopulistPugilist's post above. He breaks down Tyson's psyche rather well.

 

Wow. You are that one guy who has spoken to Atlas and Rooney. And that's the same Teddy Atlas that almost ruined Povetkin's career, right? Lucky you.

By the way, when I talked to Rooney I forgot to ask how his training career was going after Tyson left. Did he tell you?

 

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Mi-aow. Like your style, rich!

 

Reading all this i am at a loss as to how Tyson ever won a pro fight let alone cut a swathe thru the division in a manner rarely seen before, culminating in the lineal title.

 

No, not at all.
But I think the men who wrote articles calling champion boxers "coward" didn't neccesarily believe that those men were in fact cowards. They were probably working on the assumption that those men were not cowards.

 

Tyson became a very different hesitant fighter when he was in there with someone who made him think and was fighting back. Front runner.

 

I think Tyson was a bit too emotional and always prone to frustation.
I don't doubt his will to win but that will has to be focused properly and consistently.

It's correct to say Tyson was always on borrowed time.
However devastating he was in his prime, the style and psyche he relied on were ultimately limited.

Cus D'amato made two world heavyweight champions (Patterson and Tyson) and both of them were deeply emotional ; sensitive and damaged young boys, frightened boys. D'amato was a great psychologist and built that fear into intense fighting prowess, especially in Tyson's case. Tyson bought into all D'amato's fantasies too and together they built them into a reality.
Tyson was way more vicious and deadly than Patterson and probably even more insecure and emotional.

 

This theory has been repeated ad nauseam to the point where it is so overstated it's just not funny.

Tyson post Rooney was declining from what he was. He was hitting Japanese ***** as much as he was hitting the heavy bag. Super Greg Page dropped him in sparring. He also, in this reduced capacity, came up against an opponent with great talent and tools putting forth a career best effort. Tho schooled on the night he hung in and even dropped Douglas very heavily.

There was an article linked here where numerous top sages noted decline and sloppiness before any Douglas fight. Numerous points were addressed and sure enough they rung true not much later.

Tyson came back and showed some decent heart against Ruddock x 2.

Post prison he was still damn good but the horse had bolted.

Personally i don't think Tyson would have ever beat Holyfield nor Lewis but accept i could be wrong. I do think he would have beaten Douglas. Why would he not have more trouble with someone fighting back than someone not? Silly comment.

The fighting back parts only merit is that it was extremely important not to let Tyson get off all the time without reply. You had to spend periods punching when he did otherwise he would walk all over you. You also had to be a fantastic fighter.

So obviously one had to fight back, but they also had to be of severely good pedigree.

 

Douglas was good enough to beat Tyson and he proved it.
Can't take that away from him. The victory was emphatic.

 

Douglas beat a better version of Tyson than Holyfield did and miles better than the shell Lewis faced.

 

No-ones taking it away from him, just putting it in perspective according to my take. Similar to Schmeling and Louis in the first affair. Likewise Duran and De Jesus. Lewis and Rahman. It happens.