Tyson Douglas Post Fight Analysis

just mccall and berbick??

what Douglas did after beating Tyson is no different than what Riddick bowe did after his one great fight. Both let themselves down disgracefully. In fact a lot of champions lose desire after reaching their goal, maybe its time we start blaming the corner men?

He probably wanted to be a great fighter a lot of times but he wasn’t landing the right kind of fights to showcase what he had. A fighter tends to look great when he wins a mismatch you know...

Douglas beat a good Greg page who one fight before had been a champion but nobody cared at the time. Buster also beat tex cobb when nobody wanted to fight him. Cobb had only lost to world champions on split decisions.

You don’t go from being "midlevel" to beating a peak ATG just because the ATG had a crap corner!! If Tyson accepts responsibility for that loss why cant you?

what myth could posibly be on par with the one about kevin rooney being the kind of guy who can turn water into wine? I dont remember rooney making Tyson fight the right fight against bonecrusher?

 

yes I remember him. nothing mythical at all! :good

 

Ironically Tyson's main sparring partner through the 90's.

 

Who else worth a ****?

No Bowe still fought competitively and won fights. His fight was Evander wasnt a one sided knockout quit, it was close. Bowe would not lose another fight the rest of his career.

Yeah thats what it was, poor matchmaking or available top ten contenders. atsch

Page had lost three of his last four fights.

Tyson wasnt at his peak. He had changed his corner two years prior. His corner didnt lose him the fight, he lost it for not being well prepared and not being the same fighter he once was. He takes responsibility for that yes, but he never admitted he was at his peak. He only admits to not training for the fight and its well documented by sparring partners, trainers and people who were around Tyson.

And you dont lose like he did to Holyfield if your that special.

Oh I dont know, he was undefeated against fighters who beat Douglas and accomplished a whole heck of a lot more??? Your comparing his UD win against Smith to his performance against Douglas?

 

Altogether Douglas fought 6 unbeaten fighters before his first title fight, 5 "at the time" rated contenders and 3 world champions.

you dont think Randal tex cobb was "worth a ****" in 1984? buster came in at 3 days notice. berbick had pulled out against cobb, nobody wanted tex around that time.

Mike willams had only lost by SD to a trim 217lb Tim witherspoon in 1987

In 1982 Douglas beat unbeaten stefan tangstad but was docked points by the judges so it ended a draw after 8 rounds.

in 1985 dion simpson was 17-0 and had KOd dave jaco who was 18-2 and just KOd razor ruddock.

he won his fights but bowe fought zero unbeaten fighters before facing holyfeild. he always had notice and he was never the opponent facing the local hero.
bert cooper, pinklon thomas and bruce seldon were on losing streaks when bowe fought them. coetzer and tubbs were the only live guys he fought before his title shot.

And Douglas still had beter wins to his name when facing Tyson than Frank Bruno, mike dokes, mike weaver, john tate, witherspoon, tony tubbs, bonecrusher smith and greg page ever did before they all first chalenged for titles!

yet PAGE had trained down to the same weight against douglas as he was for his best KO win against coetzee to win the title 2 fights earlier.

Tyson wasnt at his peak against bonecrusher either then- that fight stank. Tyson did not look good against a washed up thomas until he caught him. Its funny, if tyson knocks someone out hes at his peak. Tyson huggers say his best win was against spinks but how will we ever know spinks tried? he also looked great against wiliams. Even the bruno performance was just as good as the thomas win.

Yes buster was poor that time. patterson was as bad against liston, witherspoon was as bad defending against smith, lots of champions showed zero desire defending titles not just douglas. mike spinks showed no desire against Tyson does that make spinks a bad fighter? should we write off alll those other champions?

Im saying rooney couldnt make tyson knock out bonecrusher. larry holmes and tim witherspoon (the first time) pounded smith.

 

Smith took risks against those guys.

His purse should have been withheld for the Tyson fight.

 

I think the fans were disapointed but both Tyson and rooney showed naivaty in that fight. Tyson was frustrated and it effected him, rooney couldnt change his mood.

 

Seriously this has the be the worst excuse riddled post Ive ever read on ESB. Tyson gets zero passes for not training or coming in under prepared even though its well documented, but Douglas has a good solid reason for all his losses, poor performances, bad management, bad matchmaking, and why he only performed at the peak of his ability one night only. Love the one with Page, that takes the cake. :rofl

 

Guys could survive against Tyson. They made it easy for Tyson to win an easy decision but guys who fought back and exposed their chin, were most of the time dispatched. Smith took zero chances, but Tyson still easily won the fight. Tyson wasnt the perfect fighter, and like all great fighters didnt have a spectacular performance everytime out but he was a dominate champion even against fighters who were better and more proven than James Douglas.

 

Im not saying buster is the beter fighter im just saying douglas has a good resume under closer examination. douglas record is beter than all the lost generation of caretaker belt holders put together.

 

Spinks eyes rolled back in his head like a slot machine and was knocked unconscious. Douglas got a bloody nose and sat on the canvas rubbing his face.

No he could only make him win a UD. Tyson wasnt going to be perfect every night, but the standards you are holding him to compared to Douglas are a joke.

 

No it isnt

 

who among Tyson’s victims was better and more proven than Douglas? Larry Holmes was back from a two year fishing trip and had not fought a rated HW FOR YEARS, Thomas had not fought a rated fighter since berbick beat him, Spinks was a reluctant LH who froze. Tubbs was so serious he put on weight so he couldn’t get his bonus.

At least Bruno, berbick and Biggs were live opponents but Douglas would always have been a match for all of them. I would not say they were better or more proven.

Tucker beat Douglas but he was not outclassed, buster was winning when he imploded. I would take Douglas over Tucker in a rematch at the time.

 

I would agree that Holyfield's speech pattern may have slowed some or that he even stutters a little bit more now, but to say that his speech is unintelligible is just outright not true.

There are plenty of interviews of Holyfield on youtube, I've listened to quite a few of them. If you can find me one where throughout the interview Holyfield's speech is unintelligible, I'd like to hear it.

 

Another ridiculous post. Many of Tysons opponents were better and more proven. Douglas was an inconsistent underachieving good fighter, he was never going to be a
great fighter it was proven before and after the Tyson fight He didn't have the chin or heart to be a great one. His fight with Tucker properly evaluates him as a fighter. His legacy is built on two fights, one with Tyson and the other with Holyfield. You putting him in such a high place contradicts everything you feel about Mike Tyson.