Tyson Douglas Post Fight Analysis

if he disgraced himself against douglas then at the very least he also disgraced himself against bruno and williams - he had the same team for those fights and was just as crazy leading up to those fights also. The guy was in shape because he took a brave beating over 10 rounds and was trying to win all the way.

 

Nope. Thomas was hardly in top form. That would have been his 83 and 84 fights. He was flat against Berbick and was worse in the couple of bouts he had against soft competition in that gap between Berbick and Tyson. He had no chance against Tyson when they fought when you look at his form going into that fight. It was no longer 1983.

 

No. Shopworn and permanent damage would have come into effect after the Evander ko, not before it. He lost. Simple. Douglas was Douglas and guys like that do not win 2 fights in a row against elite competition. I know I bet a ton, to me anyway, on Evander in that one and part of it was for that reason. And Evander brought some other tools to the table as well.

 

He did disgrace himself against Bruno and went from a controlled elusive brawler to a sloppy open one. Never in Tysons career was he hurt like he was against Bruno up until that point. Williams never really got the chance to expose Tyson.
Tyson took a brave beating against Lennox Lewis too that didnt mean he was in top form.

 

maybe that was just because Bruno was a big puncher who had more to offer than faded pinklon, tubbs and Holmes, frozen spinks, untested biggs and reluctant smith. Douglas was the first fighter since tucker who had recent wins over "at that time" rated fighters -and it showed.

 

:deal Thomas's last win against a rated fighter was the year Tyson turned pro.

 

Another bull**** post. Discussion is over.

 

Its true.
thomas had not beat a rated fighter since 85'
Tubbs had also not beat a rated fighter since 85'
holmes had not fought any fighter for 2 years
spinks had not beat a rated HW fighter since 86' and FROZE.
Biggs had never fought a rated fighter
Bruno had not beat a rated fighter since 86'
smith WAS reluctant to fight
Tucker DID beat a rated fighter the year he faced Tyson.
douglas DID beat a rated fighter the year he faced Tyson.

 

Beating rated fighters for accomplished champions really is meaningless.
Tyson didnt hammer his legacy out by beating Pinklon Thomas, however, Thomas had never been off his feet and was a game challenger with the experience of a champion and conducted himself as such. Spinks had never been off his feet. Holmes would never be stopped again. Smith was reluctant because Tyson made him that way. Tubbs was better and more accomplished than Douglas would ever be, so was Spinks, so was Tucker, so was Thomas, so was Bruno who actually went on to make a title defense.

Douglas was coming into his fight with Tyson with a loss against Tucker who Tyson beat one sidedly by UD, Jesse Ferguson who was horrible and Mike White who was horrible. Oh and David Bey knocked out the 5 fight Douglas in his pro debut. Who was rated the 14-2 Mcall or the 3-4 loss Greg Page? :nut Don King could have made you a rated challenger if he chose. Tyson fought everyone who was available in the late 80's. In 1988 Douglas would have been dispatched like everyone originally expected.

 

Couldn't of said it any better, good post. I was gonna say the samething but you beat me to it.

 

Tyson was an ATG fighter, I am not agiants him. Tyson makes my top ten and douglas does not. hewas an excelent fighting champion but the fact remains his hardest fights as a champion were agianst the two chalengers who could beat "at the time" rated fighters. No shame in that. It is fact that TYsons easier defences, where he looked more emphatic, were against fighters who had not recently beat world level opponents.

Douglas was not coming into the Tyson fight with a loss to tucker. he was in fact coming off a win streak against mark williams, trevor berbick and oliver mccall - at that time all rated fighters and avoided. He had overcome the tucker loss at that time.

Years before Buster had eclipesed earlier losses to unrated white and bey with solid wins over page and tex cobb when they were both world rated.

In many respects jersey joe walcott also lost fights early on then found beter form only to fail initialy to win the title but eventualy came through. I am not comparing douglas to walcott but I am merely showing that it had happened before.

 

I see the points you're trying to make and I completely disagree. You can dissect and pick apart any champion's tenure, any professional boxer even, in a negative manner if you choose to do so. Tyson fought every heavy that mattered and won impressively. Douglas happened to be one of the last men standing.

Pinklon Thomas at the time he fought Tyson was regarded as the 2nd best heavyweight. Merchant even asks Tyson about it in the post fight interview. Tubbs fought Smith, Page and lost a majority decision to Spoon. He had better experience at the championship level than Douglas.

Berbick beat Thomas before Tyson beat him. Smith beat Spoon before Tyson beat him. Tucker beat Douglas before Tyson beat him. Biggs was undefeated. Holmes had never been knocked out. Spinks was undefeated and got steamrolled. Truth Williams had championship experience, had beaten Jesse Ferguson and held wins over Bert Cooper and Berbick.

 

You disagree that douglas, smith and Tucker were the only fighters tyson fought in title fights who had recent wins over at the time rated contenders?

No. Thomas was regarded the second best fighter in the world behind larry holmes in 84-85 season. That was a long time earlier, before Tyson turned pro. Larry merchant was confused. By then witherspoon, Tucker and spinks were regarded beter fighters than thomas.

Douglas would have been wba champion if page fought Douglas one fight earlier. Tubbs was only a champ because he got page first. tony did not have wins over cobb,berbick and mccall to back up his one win over page that douglas also had. smith was coming off a loss when tubbs beat him anyway.

this is all true and why TYson proved to be the champion of the era. I am just saying the fighters who gave Tyson the toughest time were those with recent wins over rated fighters like Tucker and douglas. The others all had form at some other time but not when Tyson fought them.

 

Yeah Choklab beating a green marginal 14-2 Oliver Mcall or a washed up Trevor Berbick was more impressive because they were ranked.

 

Maybe the washed-up 35 year old Berbick & green as grass McCall are promoted to "good wins" because they whupped Tyson in his sparse sparring for Buster Douglas.