Tyson-Douglas revisited

Shavers did not have the best of chins.

But back to the original point, I think it was a combination of mental illness, this loss, the death of Cus, the firing of Rooney and Clayton, and the jail time that toasted Tyson.

 

Foreman or Shavers wouldn't have been the same story. Neither had the same merciless, piercing jab thrown with the same speed and regularity we saw Douglas use, not did they have the movement to compliment it.

I think the rot had already begun to slowly creep in on Tyson. But against the likes of Tubbs and Williams, two fighters whose middle names are Unmotivated and Chinny respectively, the flaws were easily enough brushed aside.

Douglas provided the blueprint for how to beat a guy like Tyson, and was the one guy who was actually able to carry it out; use your size advantage.......pump that longer jab. follow it up with rights down the middle. Hold the smaller guy when he gets inside, and spin him, and repeat the process.

Confidence also played a factor. Douglas was quoted after the fight as to whether or not he was scared going into the ring against this destroyer.......he said, "I just saw a short guy across the ring from me."

That says it all, I think. No appreciation for the myth.

 

I've NO appreciation for your BS in this area SSFAn. The fact Tyson happened to lose had more to do with his own personality that anything you typed here.

Douglas is, was, always will be, a tomato can against any HW ATG. At least Tyson come fairly close to that clasification...

Yeah, pump that longer jab. The only trouble is a right minded fighter ducks under it. Follow it up wih rights down the middle. The only trouble is your rights will get responded to while (before) you are throwing them. Hold the little guy. The only trouble is that little guy is at least as strong as you are, likely more so... so who gets spun.

Tyson lost to a tomato can like Douglas because of poor mental attitude, nothing more.

Tyson ruined his own destiny, a dip like Douglas had nothing to do with anything.

 

............Except that that dip happened to be in the ring with him that night. Try again.

 

How do you rank the dip then? I'm more than game..

 

............On that night, quite highly; and Tyson, by comparison, quite badly.

I'm sorry man, but you sound like Tyson's press agent here. I acknowledged that Tyson had issues outside the ring, but who doesn't at some point, and why was it that exact fight that was the watershed moment? Why wasn't it Tubbs, the clever boxer? Why wasn't it Williams, with the jab even longer than Douglas'?

Why is it so hard to imagine that it was because Douglas fought a brilliant fight that night?

And mock my insistence of Tyson's shortcomings all you want; are you seriously gonna sit there and tell me the man could ever deal with a guy that knew how to clinch?

 

Tyson performing badly because of poor mental attitude is the only thing being granted by me.. Sanchez.

Douglas fought the fight of his (next to nothing) career, I'm not disputing that one.

I mock your own, and I repeat YOUR OWN, opinion of a clinch and just who has the upper hand. You obviously have a limited understanding of power in this area.

Tyson lost... yep inform the press...........

Why you want to puff up a nothing is beyond me, Sal. What did the guy do beyond this matter... You probably should also remember that Tyson doesn't do that well regarding my own opinion..

 

I know nothing of your opinion on Douglas. You act as though I'm calling him an all-time great; I'm a bit puzzled by that. All I ever spoke to here was his effort against Tyson and why what he did was the pefect effot to beat him. Why would you think I'm turning him into Joe Louis all of a sudden?

Thee has been plenty of evidence that Tyson was subpar in clinches, resting instead of working out like he should have.......Green........Smith......Douglas........Holyfield. Go back and watch the fights and tell me what you see that makes me wrong.

 

No, but you may be thinking of Douglas as an ATG simply because of the fact he defeated Tyson, Sal. Whatever you think of Douglas is of zero importance to me! Simple fact of the matter is Tyson would have won this fight - easily by early KO - if a proper mind set was in place......... so what you believe is unimportant to the overall outcome of a realistic Tyson fight..... Tyson let himself down!

Vulnerabiliy regarding Tyson amounts to mental factors as much as anything else I've written. Make you own defintion, expert, I'm tired of typing

Nice you place so little value regarding that which afflicts an ATG HW champion.... comparing Tyson with others is a little dense in some areas.

 

Douglas was a very talented under achiever with a great style to fight Tyson, he had great talent but not the motivation.

 

Great stuff, there's no substitute for living the time in depth. Astute observers noticed the signs in the Bruno fight allayed to rumours from his personal life.

 

I take it you weren't around when Sal was posting regularly? The thing is he's one helluva poster and you're gonna learn a thing or two, both boxing and attitude

 

Douglas was awesome that night. Just awesome. Great accuracy, stamina, jab, size, speed.... sometimes an average fighter can pull out a performance above his level. Douglas vs Tyson, Witherspoon vs Holmes, Golota vs Bowe, etc.


I think Holyfield was watching it with a bit of frustration. He was probably thinking "Douglas is doing everything that i was going to do... and now he's going to walk away with the credit that i deserve". Unlike the public, Holyfield was that convinced he'd beat Tyson. Douglas was supposed to be a tune-up before facing Holyfield.