Tyson/Douglas: Tyson got beat up by Berbick, Page and McCall in Sparring

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    yet, Tyson is :deal
     
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  2. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Only in the imagination of people who don't really study boxing.

    Anyone who knows boxing, styles and the ability to read the likely outcome of fights knows Tyson always struggles with the bigger/stronger/faster fighters of his generation - Holyfield and Lewis were always going to be above him in the pecking order, McCall in his prime too.
     
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  3. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    38 months = from what starting fight to end fight?
     
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    i believe the experts study boxing just fine
     
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  5. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Shouldn't Tyson, at 5'11, 215, struggle with Bigger/Stronger Fighters? nobody was faster than Tyson in his era.

    I like how people say he "struggled" against Tucker, Green, Smith when he won by UD because they were to afraid to engage after they took their lumps. Just because you don't get a KO doesn't mean you "struggled"

    McCall had issues in actual PRO/LIVE fights. In the Gym, yeah, he was a best.
     
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    theboss Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :patsch Where do these nut jobs come from ?
     
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  7. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Title held to title lost.

    The experts guffaw over his power but never put him high on a H2H listing. If they do, they're nostalgic and probably have Ali on a H2H listing too.
     
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  8. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Holyfield was faster than Tyson in handspeed, potentially not head movement but as he showed in 1996, he could still beat Tyson to the punch whenever he needed to.

    Tucker, Green and Smith aren't even noteworthy fighters, yet somehow we have a situation where todays fighters are in a weak era while Tyson dominated a strong one.
     
    PugilisticPower, Jun 17, 2012
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  9. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, he wasn't.

    1996:patsch:lol: After 3 years rotting away in prison and hadn't trained properly for how long?
    Ali was even slower when he came back out of exile and he wasn't in jail.
    Tyson was not good at that time. "Timing" was also key. Holyfield still had his while Tyson's was declined. "Timing" and Anticipation can actually help make you look fast.

    Tyson had natural speed but it was also helped by training techniques D'Amato used called the "Willy" and other things. When Tyson stopped that, his punches didn't seem quite as fast...but he was still fast.

    Tucker was a good fighter. The others are still BIG fighters that should give Tyson trouble because of their Size/Strength. Don't we see this in smaller divisions where "Size" can make a difference?
     
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  10. PugilisticPower

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    "Three years rotting away in prison" - in which he came out in better shape than he was before his prison stint, free from many addictions he had accrued previously and remotivated towards boxing in a way he hadn't been since the death of Cus D'Amato.

    Meanwhile Holyfield had been taking beatings throughout that time period and was seen to be a massive underdog versus Tyson in that fight?

    Cmon now, do yourself a favour and don't reinvent history.
     
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    you may want to stop discussing Tyson.

    otherwise, it'll be like arguing that that Bradley deserved the decision over Pacquiao. most will stop taking you seriously
     
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    so biting people ears and legs is, well, better than he was before prison
     
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  13. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    OK.


    How long did Rocky Marciano hold his title and only count from the time he won the title to the time he fought last. "Active" years.

    Do the same for Jack Dempsey. "ACTIVE" years. No counting years he wasn't fighting.

    Go on to Liston and Foreman.

    Also make sure you include the amount of times they fought by that age, how many title defenses they had.

    And that's just to start.

    Maybe we can throw in some lower weight division fighters.
     
    Caelum, Jun 17, 2012
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    Looking in shape is not the same as being in fighting shape. Not only physically, but mentally. And not only that, where was he "TECHNICALLY" as a fighter?

    Physically, his body was fit to fight in the 80's when it was smoother had had more of a flexibility to it...and not that bodybuilder **** he had in his post-prison. career.


    He was not re-motivated to box. He was mixed up.

    He was asked by one of his trainers who came on board what he liked to do when not fighting and Tyson said, "SEX AND DRUGS"...that trainer left. I can't remember who it was...but I'm sure I'll see the article again.

    Emanuel Steward himself thought Tyson would not be the same fighter because people like him burnt out in their 20's.

    I think it was Angelo Dundee who called him the Oldest 2? he had ever seen. I can't remember which age it was but he was in his 20's.

    Did you read any of the articles?
     
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  15. PugilisticPower

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    Rocky Marciano is one of the most strongly debated fighters as one who potentially doesn't deserve his post as an ATG - so if you're using him as a comparison with Tyson, I can simply point out at least Marciano held the undisputed strap and never had another man best him in the ring.

    So according to you, Tyson was still within his prime when he had his second title run? See unlike other people, people don't seem to think Tyson could have lost during his prime which is why I make fun of his prime only being for a short period of time.

    Vitali Klitschko, Lennox Lewis, Mohammad Ali, Floyd Patterson, Evander Holyfield - all notable heavyweights who have losses during their prime years.

    If you accept Tyson could lose during his prime years, then you're not as much of an idiot as I expected you to be.
     
    PugilisticPower, Jun 17, 2012
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