Tyson Fury and Wilder record vs Current top ten heavyweights

Whyte has been KTFO twice. He's lucky to be ranked 4th.

Fair point on Ortiz though, not sure why he deserves to be ranked above Parker, Ruiz or even Povetkin.

 

You're like many boxing fans here... there's much about the sport you just DO NOT LIKE

 

Maybe it's those guys at the bottom half who are the problem of the top 10.

 

always thought the top half of the prem shouldnt face the bottom
thats why there bottom
not good enough
you see where this goes

whats the point in Mercedes having any other comp
should just fly round on there jack jones
lets just keep reliving nadael Federer and the other guy
rest of em nah mate

 

The list is just made up though.
Why have Rivas and Povetkin in the top 10 still ?

 

Just had a quick look at the various ratings:

Boxrec have:
Fury
AJ
Wilder
Whyte
Usyk
Povetkin
Ruiz jr
Hunter
Parker
Chisora

I think that's a reasonable list based on achievements, resume, skill set etc. Better guide than Ring.

Here's the various bodies for completeness with the usual odd names cropping up depending on the arrival of the brown envelopes:

WBC
Deontay Wilder
Oleksandr Usyk
Luis Ortiz
Andy Ruiz
Joe Joyce
Joseph Parker
Michael Hunter
Alexander Povetkin
Filip Hrgovic
Agit Kabayel

WBA
Oleksandr Usyk
Bogdan Dinu
Deontay Wilder
Luis Ortiz
Andy Ruiz
Adam Kownacki
Charles Martin
Chris Arreola
Agit Kabayel
Daniel Dubois

IBF
Charles Martin
Oleksandr Usyk
Michael Hunter
Filip Hrgovic
Joseph Parker
Agit Kabayel
Tony Yoka
Luis Ortiz
Kubrat Pulev

WBO
Oleksandr Usyk
Joe Joyce
Joseph Parker
Deontay Wilder
Andy Ruiz
Frank Sanchez
Michael Hunter
Zhilei Zhang
Evgeny Romanov

 

Why would Povetkin not be in the top ten, he just went 1-1 with Whyte, drew with Hunter, and had a win against Hughie Fury, in the past couple of years. Extremely easily top 10

 

He looked shot to pieces in BOTH the Whyte fights, he's 41 years old, he looked dreadful in the last one.
If any young fighter was to beat him in his next fight, blast him out in 1 round even, would that even be worthy of getting them a ranking ??

He looks finished now, and unless he proves otherwise, he shouldn't be a ranked top 10 heavyweight.
Most boxing fans are expecting him to retire, and not before time.

The win over Hughie (who isn't top-flight at all) was 4 fights ago, almost 2 years ago, and that's a long time when you're at this stage.
Since then he's had 3 very hard fights, had the stuffing knocked out of him further, looking progressively work in those fights.

 

I agree.
The list is bad, and there should be some new blood in there.

 

Well, on paper Povetkin's ranking looks fair.
He had decision loss vs then 37 y.o ( not enough old ) Wlad who then had multiple belts and had been ranked top by multiple western orgs and ranking systems. No wonder why after this loss he didn't slipped in rankings much and had appeared in top 3.
If Wlad had finished him, he had dropped more, and if had finished quickly, even more in rankings. He went all distance and lost on cards.

Then he had good run with good fights and later had lost vs very highly ranked A.J who like 37 y.o Wlad then had multiple belts.
Again dropping in rankings was not serious. Drop lower than you were and that's it.
If old over the hill Pov had been beated by someone ranked top 6- 10 he most likely had been after this out of top 10 ranking after this.

Then this draw vs Hunter too didn't had impacted his ranking badly, maybe even helped not be inactive and remain in top 10.



Technically everything looks correct and fair.

Biology and reality is that he is over the hill long years ago.
30-35-36 y.o Povetkin had for sure beat up his own 37 y.o version, not to talk about 38 or 40 y.o version.

 

That's the nature of being an older fighter, that some of the opponents you beat along the way are irrelevant now (especially if they were marginal to begin with).

 

Yeah.
However ranking systems usually are working like this: your and your opponent's ranking positions and rounds scheduled, round when fight had ended and method of the win.

If you had lost via decision vs #1 or even #3 fighter it might not drop you out from top 10.
If you will lost via decision vs #10 ranked fighter, and you had been ranked #6 or #8, then ofc you will drop in rankings more impressively.


This is also reason why fighters considered as low reward/ high risk might have difficulties to get good fights and over the hill, out of prime but highly ranked fighters gets fights more easily and not rare cases that good paychecks too.

Orgs also does have #1-#12-15# rankings that are below their champion.

And you for example are ranked #8, for business better is pick up some uncle ranked #6-#10 rather than fight with #15 ranked up coming guy in his prime. If you will beat him, you will not climb up so much. If he will beat you, you might appear in his previous ranking place and he will move up.
Pro fighting is like career job where you calculate risk/ reward and ROI for time/ money investments.

 

You don't rank boxers off of how you feel they look, you rank boxers off of performance, and the clear to see facts are that his resume in the past two years easily ranks him top 10.