Tyson Fury could barely land a glove on Wladimir Klitschko? Where exactly was the masterclass?

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  1. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Wlads lucky Fury was trying to box with him. Which is the worst strategy to use with him.

    I wonder why Fury didnt try mauling Wlad... which would have given him the stylistic advantage in there.
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because Fury didn't want to risk getting tagged ? He was also more of a pure boxer at that point and knew Klitschko was over the hill and would be gunshy
     
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  3. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    It was a great result for a Fury but a poor fight...


    I have said this a number of times, the rbr was/is hilarious, both men were slaughtered from start to finish.

    I have to agree though, this was turned from a good result to a masterclass within a week and it really wasn't.
     
  4. Dempsey Gibbons

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    Fury averaged 7 landed punches per round. Wlad averaged 4 landed punches per round. (both men landed 23% of the punches they threw)

    Fury's masterclass was landing three more punches per round than Klitschko.
     
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  5. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    WOW, Even worse than I remember :lol:
     
  6. red corner

    red corner Active Member banned Full Member

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    It was dull because Wlad withdrew from the fight until the final rounds. He was 39 for Pete's sake. Fury won a sloppy fight. It wasn't that impressive unless you think 27 beating a 39 means something. I'd pick 27 nearly every time. History shows us that, and Fury hasn't been in as good of shape since. Fury won, but was far from a lopsided scorecard.
     
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  7. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Naw, pretty opposite.
    Fury while for sure isn't brilliant in boxing, does have very high fighting IQ and he is smart.
    If he attempted to grapple with old Wlad, he had lost his youth advantages benefits vs old lazy rich Wlad.

    Fury did properly everything in this night. ;)
    He used his advantages and reduced risk.
    Also he was damn smart: it is difficult to get decision in Germany vs A side lad.
    He knew that chances to get decision win will increase if he will look less boring than Wlad.
    It does matter a lot. Yeah, Wlad had belts and these media contracts. Does media love boring boxers?
    No.

    It also was risky to apptempt maul and wrestle cos Wlad, also even 33 y.o Pulev version aren't Wilder. ;)
     
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  8. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    Anyone remember wlads blatant headbutt on tyson?
    Poor fella had no answers for fury no matter how hard he tried
     
  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Great defensive performance, but most of his own punches missed.
     
  10. LD Boxer-Puncher

    LD Boxer-Puncher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It is quite literally, probably the opposite of this above comment in bold. The guy fell into a 3 year depression partly off the response his remarkable achievement got, not least in his own country, from those he thought were his own people.

    The aim of the game, particularly when taking on an 11-year reigning champion against whom you are being totally written off, when the prize is so big, is to win.

    Tyson Fury was utterly confident he could do that. He knew how he was going to do it and whilst in everybody else's eyes, he had no chance of pulling it off, he knew he was taking little risk for huge reward by going about it that way. In hindsight now, could he have gone in there and had a slug fest with Wlad and won? On recent showings, perhaps....but with more risk. Why risk the big prize when you feel you have something that makes it more of a sure thing for you.

    He saw something that nobody else saw in Wlad in 11 years and he went out and executed the gameplan to exploit it. That is remarkable, whichever way you look at it.

    Everyone said he couldn't punch, he stunk the place out, he can't go toe to toe and entertain, so he shut them all up as well with the trilogy he has just dominated. He has everything. Just accept greatness when you see it.

    A further point, that the fact you're using a fight from 6 years ago to judge what current Fury is capable of, is really silly. It's clear to anyone who has the will to see it, that Tyson Fury, as good as he was then, has matured hugely since then, both as a person and as a fighter. I'm firmly of the belief that he needed to go through his trials and tribulations in order to become the better person he is today and in terms of the vast improvement in his boxing, credit his willingness to learn, credit to Ben Davison and credit to SugarHill Steward. All of these challenges and all of these people around him have contributed to what he has become, a great man and a great heavyweight champion.
     
  11. Surrix

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    The most interesting stuff about Wlad is that he really does have high IQ and is money wise with way of thinking like businessman - investor.
    He had enough brains to earn not only from fight purses, ad and endorsement deals.
    Capital gain etc.

    Boxers usually aren't money wise but Klits were and are.
    He didn't even needed to fight vs Povetkin, not alone vs Pulev or later in order " just to earn money".
    He does have skills to earn with capital he had.

    I think this is a bit like casual EE boxers curse: they does not retire enough early despite they does have enough money etc.
    Another curse for EE prizefighters is too much am fights under belt and not rarely old when they turn into a pro.
    This is cos prizefighting in countries like U.S or U.K was well known thing, In EE this after WW1 ( 1914 ) was not common for society thing until 2000 ies . In U.K and U.S this was common thing in 1900 th, in 1946-1992th and later ofc.

    I think it is cool if lad does have some 50-150 am boxing fights under belt, 50 as minimum.
    When there are 250+ am fights lad might be already too tired when he turns into a pro.
    This not about Klit but EE boxers in general.
     
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  12. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Small sample size! For anybody to tell if Fury has really improved, he has to at the very least, fight all the top guys in the division and not just one or two and then claim he's a great and go into a hiding claiming he has depression for a couple of years. Beating Wilder or Wladimir Klitschko for that matter, does not automatically prove he can beat some of the other unbeaten guys like Joyce, Hrgovic and etc. just by default. Wilder has always been a fraud who feasted on tomato cans for his entire career. Whilst Wladimir Klitschko was ancient, at age 39 when every other heavyweight champion was either retired or getting outright demolished by inferior opponents than Fury. Wlad's performance against Bryant Jennings alone, was proof enough he was over the hill by that point.

    And please, spare me the sob story. When Wladimir Klitschko had mental health problems due to his wife suffering from serious depression after she just had a child, he never made a single excuse about it or mentioned it, and was man enough to fight Fury. Whereas Fury like the coward that he is, ducked the rematch that he was obligated in the contract claiming all sorts about his mental health to get sympathy from others so he can wiggle out of the rematch by going into a hiding until the guy he was afraid to rematch, retired. So without the rematch, Fury's win over Wlad absolutely is arguably the most overrated win in history. Had Fury gone in again, and beat Wlad again, there would be 0 doubt. But with one win that was disputable to begin with as Fury barely landed anything on Wlad, and arguably landed the same amount of actual head / body snapping / rocking punches, the fight was arguably a draw and Fury got a gift. Oh and BTW, Wlad is not a German so also cut me the other crap about Fury fighting in a foreign land when Wlad was also doing the same thing. Just because Wlad has the IQ to learn another language and make it in another country and Fury doesn't, does not mean Fury deserves extra credit for winning one match against another foreign fighter in Germany who made it there.
     
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  13. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury was regularly getting tagged by wild, telegraphed haymakers that were coming from almost hip height. There was no way in the world he would have survived against Wladimir Klitschko's short, accurate and compact punches when he could not defend himself against such wild shots. Fury's only chance to win was to do what he did, box ultra-defensively. Fury's defense is absolute trash when he is fighting aggressively, and his offense is also trash when he fighting defensively. It's either one or the other with him. He doesn't survive if he fights as aggressively as he did against Wilder in the 2nd and 3rd fight.
     
  14. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When Wlad started to throw left hooks in round 12 all of them were landing.
    Wlad didn't land punches before 12 not because Fury has a great defemce. It's because Wlad didn't throw anything since he was old and he thought he would run out of gas.
     
  15. Guerra

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    I disagree, Fury's awkward style, movement and feinting made Wlad reluctant to throw.
    Wlad was alwaya calculating and reluctant to get hit back and he never really got into range because of it.
    By the time he really knew he was going to lose he let his hands go.

    Im sure in the second fight he wpuld have thrown more like vs AJ and like Fury did vs Wilder the second time.
    Unfortunately for him and us he never got his deserved rematch.

    But Fury does deserve credot for taking his weapons away, making him hesitant and possibly mentally beating him before the fight which could be a factor to his reluctancy.