Tyson Fury could barely land a glove on Wladimir Klitschko? Where exactly was the masterclass?

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  1. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Instead posting this wall of text consisting of totally irrelevant information, how about you accept the challenge of the thread and actually show even 10 head / body snapping / rocking punches landed by Fury on Wlad?

    Oh, last I remember, it was Wlad who had the final laugh when Fury ducked the rematch like a scared little girl, realizing that he probably fluked a once in a lifetime victory not replicable. That, is a bigger defeat than any defeat, be it verbal, emotional or in the ring loss Wlad suffered at the hands of Fury in their first fight.
     
  2. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If you're German, then you should know best that Wladimir Klitschko has as much German blood in him as Fury. Heck, if anything, Fury arguably has even more German blood in him due to British people sharing Germanic ancestry with Germans whilst Ukrainians are Slavs who have a totally different point of origin.

    So if anything, Fury was more of the home-fighter in their bout than Wladimir Klitschko was, considering Germany is closer to Britain (both Germanic countries) than to Ukraine (a Slav country).

    Regardless, point is, once upon a time, just like Fury, Wladimir Klitschko was not in Germany, nor was he born there, nor did he speak a single word of German, nor did he know anything about the country and nor did he have any associations to Germany. However, through his own IQ and abilities, he managed to move to Germany, learn the language to a fluent level, gain a local fanbase there, and start a successful business there. Meanwhile, Fury has not shown the IQ or the abilities to make it successfully in a non-English foreign land. So because Wladimir Klitschko was able to make it successfully in a foreign country in Germany as a foreigner, whilst Fury was not able to make it successfully in Germany or any other foreign country as a foreigner, means that Fury deserves extra-credit for winning as an away fighter as a foreigner vs Wladimir Klitschko who is just as much of a foreigner and an way fighter but managed to make it successfully in that country? Do you guys just understand how outlandish this argument is?

    IF Fury, just like Wladimir Klitschko, moved to Germany from the UK and became just as successful in Germany as Wladimir Klitschko has been and they fought each other in Germany, does anybody think even for a second that Fury will be considered an away fighter whilst Wladimir Klitschko will be considered a home fighter? LMFAO! Both fighters are equally foreign competing in a totally neutral territory. The amount of straws being clutched on here, is mind-boggling, to the point where it feels like brain cells are being sucked away

    Oh. and a draw was totally reasonable just like how a Fury win was too. Of course Wlad did not deserve to win the match, but to paint this as anything but a decisive victory by Fury, when nobody upon being asked, can show even a single video with even 10, if not 15 head / body snapping / rocking punches by Fury being landed on Wlad, is self-refuting in and of itself.

    And cut me the crap about the Klitschkos having their own rules. You're here defending a guy who doesn't respect the sport at all, doesn't face his mandatories, doesn't honor a rematch clause he signed and agreed on, unprofessionally fights like a part-time fighter when he feels like and complains about the whole world being against him when things aren't going all well for him, whilst going into a hiatus and holding the division up, and knocking opponents with outright illegal punches involving holding and hitting, rabbit punching, using forearms / elbows and etc.

    Fury is a far bigger rule-abuser than the Klitschkos have ever been.

    You really think Fury would have even stood a chance if Wlad wanted to truly rob him? LMFAO. The fight could've easily been made not in Germany, but in Ukraine, namely Kiev with 3 judges not just from Ukraine but from Kiev, and you would have seen what true corruption is. But here we have the Klitschkos purposely fighting away from their home country AS CHAMPS, in a totally foreign, neutral territory in Germany, which as it stands, Germany is one of the fairest and most neutral country in the world for officiating boxing bouts, but we have someone like you still claiming the Klitschkos have their own rules? LMFAO!

    The Klitschkos respected their sport, their source of income, always respected their rematch clauses (unlike Fury), always respected their mandatories (unlike Fury), always came in shape like professionals whilst showing respect to the sport and past legends (unlike Fury who thinks he has earnt the right to put himself above legends whilst barely doing anything other than living off one-off wins and destroying his body unprofessionally) and etc. If anything, it is Fury who thinks he is above the rules of the sport, the very sport that provides him his livelihood. So GTFO with that nonsense about Klitschkos having their own rules!

    The more you post, the more it's clear that you're not German, or maybe you are, but are embarrassing your compatriots, due to how off the mark some of your points are here.
     
  3. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great post. I thought it was a champion who was aging against someone the same or taller then he was which he wasn't used to.
    And neither did anything at all. Fury got a couple of snappy punches in and the champion looked like he was going through the motions.
     
  4. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    If Fury can get in the ring with Wlad and win by landing one Punch a round then the question doesn't lie on Fury it lies on Wlad

    He got bamboozled and disarmed.
     
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  5. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    He barely landed a glove on Wlad in Germany and still won the points decision. There's your masterclass.
     
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  6. Wild Eye

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    You could argue that Fury gave a 2/10 performance vs the Klit. Hardly threw a punch, hardly landed a punch. Did nothing basically.

    On the other hand if he was 2/10 Vlad was 0/10 or less.

    Fury got in an unbeaten in years chap's head, in his backyard, and left Vlad completely destroyed mentally and unable to fight. We stuck his hands behind his back, stuck his chin out and taunted a heavyweight great... and that great was so scared or confused that he STILL refused to throw a punch.

    Sorry, but if you dominate a great champion and make them look abysmal then it really doesn't matter how bad you look, you've boxed brilliantly.

    And as for a boring fight... personally I can appreciate an end to end football match with lots of goals, and I can appreciate an underdog defending well for 90 minutes to hold off a much better side and get a 0-0 draw. Likewise I can appreciate boxing without a flurry of wild punches and a bloke ending up on the floor.
     
  7. Wild Eye

    Wild Eye New Member Full Member

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    Precisely.

    If you said "my boxer went to germany, fought Wlad and got the win" then I'm gonna be dead impressed.

    If you said "my boxer went to germany, fought Wlad, barely threw a punch and easily got the win" then I'm gonna be all "WTF did your genius of a fighter do? How the hell?"
     
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  8. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Except it does, because the question here lies on Fury's offensive skills not being very good, considering the pattern we have historically, where the younger up-coming champion has ALWAYS beaten the near 39 year old or post 40 year old great champion with one foot out of boxing by a significantly larger margin than Fury beat Wladimir Klitschko. Wladimir Klitschko HISTORICALLY, is not expected to win, whereas Fury is not only expected to win, but by a MASSIVE margin. Face it, his performance is historically the worst performance of all the past young upcoming champions that beat their ancient foe.
     
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  9. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That tells us more about how fair and objective officiating is, in Germany than it does anything about any 'masterclass'. The main objective of boxing is to land punches on your opponent, without getting punched in return, specifically damaging punches. For there to be any 'masterclass' in any bout, there has to be at least 5 more head / body snapping / rocking punches by one guy compared to his opponent in nearly every round. Instead, here we are where nobody can provide instances of Fury landing even 10 of such blows in the entire 12 rounds. That's how far from a true 'masterclass' this performance was.
     
  10. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You can appreciate what you want, but don't call it a 'masterclass' when it ain't. If you're constantly missing punches and are horribly inaccurate (in case of Fury), then such a performance doesn't warrant being called a 'masterclass'.
     
  11. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Thread is tangy with bitter recrimination.
     
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  12. Wild Eye

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    Which one's face looked like it had been in a fight?

    I'm not sure I'd use the word "masterclass" but I can see why people would. If it wasn't it was damn close.

    Also, someone else mentioned age. I bet few similar challengers in history have been up against an old guy who is as well trained as wlad and has taken as few beatings, especially as he got older.
     
  13. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Wlad's hometown judges stayed home.
     
  14. LD Boxer-Puncher

    LD Boxer-Puncher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm not reading that essay when I know I've already pretty much ended the debate with my last post anyway, so I'll respond in short to snippets of it.

    No, it's necessary on its own, only if you don't see skill as it is happening and therefore have to go totally off of resume. If you do see that, then it is still a necessary factor, but not big enough to say that Fury hasn't already fought enough guys to see he is clearly great, given his skill set. Although to just see improvement in him since Wlad, fighting more guys isn't necessary at all, it's staring you in the face if you know what you're looking for. N.B. 4 big wins are not one off wins, however much you'd like them to be. The proof is sort of in the numbers, one and four.

    You are a Fury hater, surely it's not something you've even been trying to hide? Disregarding the way which you've put it, I'm a Fury fan for sure, but that doesn't cloud judgement for me. The same can't be said for you unfortunately and as I've said, you just can't and won't be told anything positive about the guy, which is sad for you.

    Nobody mentioned crying. If you could bring yourself to watch the thing then you'll see it was total, open honesty on national TV, talking about how he had been feeling. People brushed it off at the time but in hindsight, he was telling everyone he was ready to die and then look what happened to him.
    You're all for PED's but not when Fury allegedly dabbled in them hahaha, the game is up David Haye, come out from behind your rock. You hate-filled troll.

    Fouls aren't cheating, the referee is there to stop them and should do if he see's them. It's part of the sport, experienced pro's will always get away with as much as they can. That's why they're where they are and you're here moaning about them. Whiny little beta male.

    All the insults you like won't change how wrong you've been proven by your King, Tyson Fury. So cry all you want, the champion will prove you wrong again when the next hurdle presents itself.

    As for the rest, just refer to my previous post to see why you're wrong r.e. Wlad and Germany, more bashing of a guy who was seriously mentally ill and whatever other nonsense I skimmed over.
    I will just add that comparing Fury in Ethiopia where he hasn't ever stepped foot to my knowledge; to Wlad in Germany, where he partially lives, has made many TV show appearances, done commercials, learned the language of, become a fan favourite and the face of the boxing scene in the country....and then talking about clutching at straws, is quite hilarious irony :lol:

    Finally, what you've said about his mental health struggles is frankly disgusting. To deny it even with all the evidence presented, is a mark of who you must be. Shame on you. How someone could be so backwards in a time where men are killing themselves in record numbers is staggering. I hope you educate yourself and aren't approached by anyone who is suffering until you do. Your attitude is an embarrassment
     
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  15. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree that Fury didn't show a superior performance than Wlad. So the win wasn't that glorious.