Tyson Fury could barely land a glove on Wladimir Klitschko? Where exactly was the masterclass?

Weak argument! Facial damage could occur for other reasons, besides punches being landed, such as head clashes / headbutts. And that's exactly how Wlad's face was damaged, not from any of Fury's pillow taps LMFAO. If that's what you think, then show us the exact punch / punches that damaged Wlad's face. I challenge you!

And no, this was not even close to a 'masterclass', by any metric. Masterclass implies being able to land punches with regularity and frequency, like Pacquiao vs Margarito, not when you can't even land more than one tap per round.

 

False equivalence! Sven Ottke was born in Germany, to German parents, not even remotely comparable to the Klitschkos who neither were born in Germany, or to German parents, nor do they have German ancestors. So right off the bat, you've committed a fallacy!

Secondly, I challenge you to name me just one place that has had hundreds of boxing bouts, without a single corrupt / controversial decision. I'll wait!

Thirdly, the Klitschkos fighting in Germany is them doing their opponents a favor by levelling the playing field for their opponents, by fighting away from their real home country (UKRAINE). If they really wanted to stack the odds entirely in their favor, they could very easily have chosen to fight in Ukraine, and then you would have known what true bias is, where Fury likely would not have even won a round. The Klitschkos chose to go to a neutral territory (Germany), and fight there, so the fights are as fair as possible in as much of a level-playing field as possible. So Fury beating Wlad in Germany is not remotely the same as Fury beating Wlad in his real home country which is Ukraine. Wlad was as much of an away fighter as Fury was. But yh, Wlad knows German and has lived in Germany for a long time. So what? Is it Wlad's fault Fury ain't got the IQ to learn any other language besides English and be successful long-term in a non-English foreign country? LMFAO!

Fourthly, where does it say a masterclass has to meet your criteria to be a masterclass? Sounds like something I pulled out of my arse, but you haven't? LMFAO! Go and check the primary criteria for judging a boxing bout objectively = clean and effective punches landed. How do we determine clean and effective punches? Punches that:

1) KO an opponent

2) Drop an opponent

3) Visibly damages an opponent's body (cuts, swellings, causing fatigue and etc.)

4) Snaps / rocks an opponent's body / face backward.


Fury did neither of those things. So if anything, my definition of what constitutes a 'masterclass' is far more inline with reality than your fanatical one, which is closer to lala land.

 

You're not reading that essay, because you know you've already ended the debate yet need an essay long response yourself to get your point across? Yh no, you're fooling nobody with respectable intelligence here. And short snippets? Yet, you're questioning my age LMFAO. You don't even know the difference between short and long.

If what you say is true, then boxers could be judged P4P or on their skill level in a particular division (heavyweights should not be ranked P4P ) based on their training footage alone, right? Or you do realize a boxer can look like the greatest thing ever in training, and crumble in a real fight? Or are you oblivious to this fact. LOL.

True demonstration of skill is proving it by winning against a large sample size of opponents. And no, 3 fights against the same hypejob in Wilder is not a sufficient sample size, even if they amount to 3 total bouts. The only time he challenged himself against a different style that was not a hype-job, named Otto Wallin, Fury's boxing skills were exposed to be insufficient, to the point where he needed to foul and cheat to overturn that matchup problem he had against Wallin after Wallin battered him and nearly had his eye shut.

I'm a Fury hater, but you're not a Fury ass-licker? LMFAO! You are closer to showing yourself off as a Fury ass-licker than I as a Fury hater.

I've watched that video. And again, Fury could be genuine, or he could be faking. How do you know either way? Are you inside his mind to be able to read his thoughts? LMFAO! There's a saying when you lie enough times, people won't believe you, or trust you, or at the very least, question you even when you do finally say the truth. Fury has shown enough acting skills to pass off as a Hollywood actor or a circus clown. So excuse me for not being convinced by guy who is not the most honest of people out there.

And no, that does not make me a hater, but a skeptic. It is entirely possible he is genuinely troubled, and it's also entirely possible he could be acting and faking the whole thing. I'm not claiming I know either way, and neither do you. If you claim you do, then that makes you a total ass-licker and fanboy/fangirl. There's no other way around this!

I made it clear I am for PED's as a whole for every boxer (including Fury), not for select few boxers an not others. I was happy Fury destroyed that juice-head that is Wilder in the third fight (if you think Wilder and Fury were both clean for their third fight, then you're beyond naïve). We can ignore the PED topic and look at other stuff that Fury says, where he contradicts himself and ruins his credibility.

Yes, fouls are cheating by definition.

Foul (one of the definitions) = contrary to the rules; unfairly.

Cheating = act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.

What do the two words have in common? Both have the word 'UNFAIRLY' in them, to describe who is a fouler and a cheater. If you foul intentionally, then you are cheating, period.

Experienced pros will get away with whatever they can? So you agree Fury gets away with fouls. Ergo, he's a cheater? Thank you


I'm moaning and being a whiny little beta male? Says the guy who is a Fury ass-licker LMFAO. Nah, I'm merely calling a spade a spade, that Fury's words have little credibility for being a proven liar. And I've proven one of his lies, where he claims he never cheats when he is one of the top cheaters (foulers) in his division. That's a fact, whether you like it or not. You can call it 'moaning' but the only one moaning is you because you can't take the fact that the guy you ass-lick is not ass-licked by someone else. LMFAO!

When did I claim Fury stepped foot in Ethiopia? Surely, your IQ can't be that low to comprehend what an example is? I gave you an example, to help your puny brain understand that IF (IF being the keyword here) Fury went to Ethiopia, learnt the language, and gained a fanbase there, and lost a fight there, it still wouldn't make him a 'HOME' fighter because Ethiopia is still a foreign land to him as he was not born there nor do his parents come from there.

It's the same with Wladimir Klitschko. Fury beating Wladimir Klitschko is not remotely comparable to Fury beating Wladimir Klitschko in Ukraine (Wlad's real home country). Just because Wlad went to Germany, learnt the German language and gained a fanbase there still does not remotely make him the 'HOME' fighter, anymore than it makes Fury the home fighter in Ethiopia or Germany. Wlad was as much of an 'AWAY' fighter as Fury was in Germany.

And as for your appeal to emotion in regards to Fury's mental health problems, my point still stands, that personal problems are never an excuse to negatively affect other people, such as wasting other people's time, money, disrespecting the very job that gives you a living and etc. Fury doesn't get a pass for ducking the rematch, wasting Wlad's money and time, because he had mental health problems. Nor does he get a pass for keeping the heavyweight division in a state of limbo by prematurely retiring then coming back and mocking past legends by claiming he's the greatest when he's barely done anything yet (only one title defense thus far). So cut me that emotional crap. If Fury was a real man of his words, and cared about other people too instead of his own pathetic mental health (like other people like Wlad wasn't suffering from his own problems in the first fight but was man enough to take it and not complain unlike Fury), he'd have done so in a way others aren't negatively affected. But you don't get a pass for having mental health problems when you cause others problems, period.

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By bringing up a guy (Sven Ottke) who was born in Germany and is an ethnic German, and implying he is remotely comparable to a guy (Wladimir Klitschko) who was not born in Germany, nor is an ethnic German and then acting like beating Wladimir Klitschko in Germany is even remotely comparable or as impressive as beating an actual German such as Sven Ottke in Germany . LMFAO!

"Since I didn't make any such claim in the first place I'll pass thanks. But feel free to wait all you like. Preferably away from a computer."

Then why exactly are you singling out Germany here then for being corrupt?

In case you didn't notice, the PRIMARY objective of boxing is to land punches on your opponent's face / body. Anything you do, has to be based on that. Otherwise, doing whatever you claimed as being a 'masterclass', has no relevance to what actual 'MASTERCLASS' is in 'BOXING'. You don't get credit for neutralizing your opponent's punches when you yourself neutralize your own offense and have to settle for just one or two more punches landed (that barely even land clean or flush in the first place) than your opponent per round. Is that enough to win? Yes! Is that enough to be called a 'MASTERCLASS'? HELL NO! Only to people who have little to no standards would that be considered a masterclass.

Fury not being able to land sufficient number of head / body snapping / rocking punches prevented this from being a 'masterclass'. Landing punches is the name of the game. Dancing, being able to neutralize your opponent's offense, taunting and looking graceful whilst having to sacrifice your own offense in doing so by barely being able to connect with head / body snapping / rocking punches on your opponent prevents a performance from being a 'masterclass', period. I mean, nobody I asked thu far has been able to even provide 10 head / body snapping punches on Wlad by Fury in 12 rounds. That's how far away from a masterclass this performance was.

 

When you can't address the point being made, make a cop-out claiming it's nonsense and not worth a reply. LMFAO. You haven't proven so and you can't, because you've been exposed in that paragraph as someone who doesn't even know the difference between short and long, and as someone who doesn't seem to know the difference between 'ENDING' a debate vs continuing a debate, considering you're still responding to me after claiming you 'ENDED' the debate TWO COMMENTS AGO. LMFAO! There isn't any way of getting out of the HOLE you put YOURSELF inside. But keep trying to dig out while others continue laughing at you LMAO!

And MOTIVATION? Another LOL! How do you know that ass-licker? Can you prove this? Or maybe Wallin's style is just a bad one for Fury to deal with, regardless of how 'MOTIVATED' Fury is? Ever considered that angle? The amount of ass-licking from you is outright embarrassing for someone (assuming) is an adult. You choose to defend him in light of 0 proof or evidence or at least none that you've been able to provide THUS FAR. How do you know Fury was not motivated for the Wallin fight? Can you prove this, without mere assertions? Or are we just going to have a built-in excuse each time Fury loses or gets exposed by justifying it with 'NO MOTIVATION DOE'? LMFAO! You are indeed one hilarious fella! But keep on coming with the jokes please!

You have absolutely no proof he isn't lying about his mental health problems? So if you're not a moron (as you claim you are), can you provide actual proof please? I don't care what you think of yourself or how clearly you THINK you can see things, provide actual proof for what Fury is saying about his mental health problem as true and not fake. Until you do, your position remains merely of one that is making an empty assertion.

The sport he loves? LOL. Ever considered the possibility he became overweight because he prefers food, partying and doing other unhealthy activities outside the ring than boxing? He loves the sport so much that he outright disrespects it? PLEASE, you can do much better than that than defend an utter buffoon the way you are. Who's to say Fury isn't using his mental health problems to justify a way out of a rematch, or to justify his horrible lifestyle habits (due to other reasons than mental health)? Or are you just blind to any of these possibilities because you're mouth is still tasting his intimate parts?

Caught me out on the PED thing? And yet, earlier on you said I made no concessions but now you're agreeing I have when you claim you caught me out on the PED thing? Which one is it? Or are you just another walking contradiction? I already told you I believe every boxer should be allowed to take PED's equally with no restrictions so we have a level-playing field instead of an uneven playing-field where one guy does and the other doesn't. What more did you want? You want to claim a small victory like a little child? There, it's yours! You got the win!

Yes, fouls are cheating according to the dictionary as I've already proven. Funny how you failed to directly refute that point and instead, went on a tangent on irrelevant matters. Problem with you, is those agreeing with you happen to not be the dictionary (the highest form of authority when it comes to word definitions) and instead, are irrelevant and unqualified individuals. So my position holds credence whilst yours doesn't.

Are you too dumb to realize Wlad is no more a 'HOME' fighter in Germany than Fury is in Germany? You've failed to list any reason why Wladimir Klitschko is any more a home fighter in Germany than Fury is. A birthplace and ancestry is something you have default privilege over as you don't control where you are born and which ethnicity you are born into, so you'd have a point if you claimed Wlad was the home fighter had the fight taken place in Ukraine. However, given that neither Fury or Wlad were born in Germany, nor are Germans ethnically due to their parents being German, both are equally foreigners in Germany who have had equal opportunities to go to that foreign country to learn its language and win a fanbase there. Who's fault is it that Fury never managed such a thing whilst Wlad has? So why are we to give extra credit to Fury then for failing to do something that Wladimir Klitschko managed, despite having equal opportunity? LMFAO! This concept appears to go right through you!

Merely making assertions (Wlad having advantages in Germany as 'HOME' fighter when Germany is no more a home for Wlad than it is for Fury) doesn't make your point at all valid. Prove Wlad had all these magical and mysterious advantages that Fury didn't have. Obviously, that's something which appears to be above your paygrade.

Oh and yeah, I very well know how mental health problems work. But again, you know deep down there is 0 justification for using your mental health problem to negatively affect or harm other people. ZERO! Therefore, Fury gets no pass here.