Tyson Fury: did he become a bit of a myth on the back of one win?

Well, it depends really. I thought Wlad would beat him because I hadn't seen enough to suggest he'd be able to unsettle Wlad. But retrospectively, stopping Hammer and Chisora look like better performances. The Cunningham win was decent too. Would those guys drop AJ? I doubt it. Would Fury have been wobbled by walking straight into a left hook from someone as crude as Whyte? I doubt that too. Especially of the more focused Fury that we was. His earlier career was in part marred by him dicking around an awful lot.

Now, to say Wlad wasn't past his best for the AJ fight would be ridiculous. It was generally seen that he was past his best for the Fury fight too, which he was. You could see from the Jennings fight. He was still the number 1 in that division, mind you. Of course, for the AJ fight, Wlad was coming off of his longest ever career layoff and was then 41. So to say this was likely a worse version of Wlad is accurate.

Wlad has been stopped before but I think part of the reason he was stopped against AJ was exhaustion as much as anything. He had AJ ****ed in the 6th but didn't unload and take the risk because he knew his body couldn't do it anymore. I had him up on points at the time of the stoppage, although it was close. Fury to my mind is the only person to actually outbox Wlad. He's been hurt and stopped that way but never straight up outboxed. Wlad doesn't throw if he isn't settled and Fury's movement made it impossible for him to do so.

Wlad 'really going for it' was never going to happen; he was simply missing too much and would have been open to counters. Could Wlad with Manny in his corner have done better? It's possible but we'll never know, I think Fury's style is just a nightmare for someone like Wlad. In fact I think it's a nightmare for anyone in that division which is why his win is held in such better esteem. You can conceivably see that a younger Wlad would have gotten AJ out of there, whereas the argument for a younger Wlad doing better against Fury is murkier.

Although I suppose you can go back much earlier in Wlad's career and argue how the much more reckless Wlad would do against them.

 

Yes no doubt.

Fury fans seem to criticise AJ when in reality AJ stepped up to higher quality opposition far earlier than Fury.

AJ is 20 fights in and after 21 fights he would of faced Wlad and Parker.

Fury 21 fights in was facing Steven Cunningham.

 

If rematch with Klit happened and he tried to put it on Fury throughout the fight i think heve been knocked out. People forget Fury can hit very hard it's just that he mastered a more conscious effective boxing style which is low risk. We seen in their fight during the 11th round when Fury let hands go Klit was in deep trouble until ref unfairly jamp in and stopped Fury from finishing him. Fury has shown against Cunningham etc he hits very hard when he opens up.

 

I’ve always been a fan of Fury but some people don’t half come out with sh!te on here. All time great etc. He’s definitely not at present. He’s got one top 10 on his record and yeah it was a great win.

He’s let himself down. When/if he comes back and then when he retires again the same question will always be asked about him “what if”.

I can’t see him getting back to the level of the Klitschko fight after putting all that weight on. It could be brutal getting in with AJ or Wilder. He’s only 28/29 so he’s got plenty of time on his side. Exactly what he needs to do. Take his time and get 4/5 fights in this year and get to peak fitness.

Other than that his achievements are greatly exaggerated. He’s got one good win on his record whilst AJ is taking on every champion in by one and cleaning up the mess Fury left.

 

I must admit I've warmed to Fury since his absence, absence makes the heart grow fonder is the saying right, lol.

I never liked Fury his fight with Wlad was the one time I rooted for Wlad. Though I expected him to give Wlad problems with his boxing and even be winning rounds before Wlad's power turned the fight, but I hadn't accounted for the discipline Fury showed, he kept it a boring fight and never got drawn into the brawls we've seen before.

Part of my new positive view of Fury comes down to one thing, Joshua. Honestly the only fighter I see giving Joshua problems is Fury. Parker is going to lose, probably KO'ed, Wilder is definitely getting KO'ed, Fury has the tools to win though and as a Joshua fan I want to see how good he really is, not have him protected and duck good fights like Wilder has. Even if Joshua loses at least he tested himself and we found out his limits.

As for Fury being bit of a myth. I think the Chisora wins were telling, especially the 2nd one when Chisora was prime. Other than Haye, nobody has stopped Chisora, he put a real beating on Del Boy and Whyte couldn't do that, Pulev couldn't do that. Fury is a genuine elite fighter for me, I hate to say it, but for all his clumsy awkward style, he's damn effective. Though we may never see that fighter again, in fact I doubt we'll ever see the Fury that beat Wlad, so in that regard he is a myth.

 

There is truth to that but I think you're then in turn exaggerating what AJ is doing. Let's be clear, since Wlad he's agreed to take on one champion and hasn't won that fight yet, although he should. Fury's win over Wlad will always be the better one (in my eyes at least) but you're right in that outside of that win there isn't much to really talk about. But then I suppose the same can be said of AJ, the benefit he has now is that he's currently actually active and the two other champions aren't actually that good (although I think Ortiz will take Wilder's belt off of him).

But let's just say AJ dusts Parker and Wilder, there isn't going to be much left for him to do. It's a very thin division with a low ceiling as it is. Heavyweight has some exciting prospects but they're a little way away yet. I guess they could look at Joe Joyce? Either way, my point here is that AJ needs an in shape Fury to really cement his legacy. Unifying the division is a huge task and an amazing accomplishment in that context but beating Parker and Wilder...isn't.

Reading that back I'm not sure I've really addressed anything you said but I've typed too much to scrap it now...

 

I understand completely where you’re coming from regardless.

However no matter how fit Fury comes in, if Joshua beats him it will still get the same response. “He’s not the same etc”. The truth is we will never know.

 

No. I don't think so.

He was showing world class quality since the Kevin Johnson fight. I called it at the time and was dismissed by people who were telling me David Price was gonna KO him. Also put money on him to beat Klitschko. He was always surprisingly slick for a man his size had all the attributes to go far but always looked potentially chinny given his frame, seemed to have countered it with his exceptional ring craft.

Questions still remain but if he could pull of another masterclass against Joshua would be confirmed for me.

Tyson used to talk a lot about being world champ and beating Klitschko with ease everyone laughed at him at the time and made him out to be some sort of clown no hoper (+ Mick and Peter) but they pulled it off. Did exactly what they said they were going to do.

 

I am neither here nor there on this one really, would acknowledge that Fury only really has one or two wins worth talking about (the other being Chisora) and he is a bit of an idiot with some of the stuff he comes out with. Joshua comes across as more fan friendly. I don't think you can say one way or the other on Fury, we need him to get his ass back into shape and take on some top fighters. That way we'll see whether he is the real deal or just a decent fighter who put in one unbelievable performance. But, I do think if anything, Fury is the one who gets the raw deal from the general public.

I'm not an AJ hater, far from it, but whilst Klitschko certainly wasn't shot for the AJ fight, a lot of Joshua's casual fan club keep repeating some mantra that he fought "a better version of Klitschko". A claim which I consider ludicrous. If anyone can tell me how a 39 year old, unbeaten for ten years, can become a better fighter for being beaten on home turf and then spending 18 months out of the ring, I would love to hear it. The truth is, Fury just had the answers for him stylewise. Klitschko has never really been the type to go for broke (he has never usually needed to, he had never lost a fight on points before Fury). He is a cautious, calculating type and everything that normally works for him just didn't against someone with the movement and reading of the fight that Fury displayed.

Pretty much spot on.

True, but then Fury turned pro at 20 without any big amateur background. Fury won the title at the age of 27 in his 25th pro fight. Joshua was an Olympic champion,, turned pro at 23, won a belt at 26 in his 16th fight and beat Klitschko at 27, in fight #19. They haven;t made that dissimilar time, just Josh stayed amateur longer.

Hopefully Fury gets the weight off, gets a couple of good comeback wins and then we can put them head to head and see whether he's man or myth. The division is so poor at the moment that as has been said above, assuming he takes care of Parker, there is nobody else really out there for Joshua besides Wilder.

 

Anyone who thinks Tyson Fury is a hard puncher by heavyweight standards is an idiot. For someone in the region of 6' 9" and 20 stone, he could definitely be considered feather fisted.

Yes it is a myth. Tyson will milk everything for all it is worth but that fact is he bottled the rematch with Wlad on multiple occasions, as he knew once Wlad dismissed him in the true style we always expected, the Team Fury enigma is no more. Fury would rather talk about a fight than be a true Champion or a fighting man.

 

Not sure I totally agree with this. Fury looked like he hit a lot harder than usual against Klitschko's. There was a very good reason Klitschko stopped throwing he knew fury was capable of knocking him out. Was a combination of furys good boxing skills...and his punch power. Made Klitschko's apprehensive it does also point to some suspicion bearing in mind fury has been feather fisted for a lot of his career...he then gets done for steroids. It does point to something not quite being on the level for me.

But against Klitschko's he was a long way from being feather fisted.

Still think he doesn't get enough credit for that win tho. I m not sure Klitschko's was all that depleted. Fury just had the tools a lack of fear and the size to do to Klitschko what hes done to every other fight there for years. Shut them down.

I ll be honest did not think Tyson was polished enough to beat Klitschko...but he was proving to be a good fighter in the run up. Big statement from him. I m still not sure he's good enough to beat Joshua tbh. Long time to stay away from Joshua and outbox him for twelve. Joshuas actually pretty quick going forward. Its going backwards when hes got cement in his shoes. You need to push him back. Your also never sure mentally how fury's gonna come into the ring anyway...I m not even talking about current day fury but prime fury. Interesting fight but fury win defo not a foregone conclusion.

Not a myth the Klitschko's win. But it was a style that suited fury. He used his length. Movement etc to shut him down. It was plain sailing from there. But is it as effective against guys that push forward. Faster on their feet. Willing to throw regardless. Better at cutting off the ring. Klitschko's was so good cause his style was almost impossible to get the better of. When someone did...it wasn't,t that hard a fight to win. But can fury keep it up against a higher paced opponent. That's trying to pour it on...I m not sure he,ll be quite as effective.

 

We will never know that's the truth. Not many fighters come back after a long lay off, abusing their body and are the same fighter.

 

Of course he's a myth, he beat klitchsko in a absolute stinker of a fight and bottled the rematch. His fans claim it was a masterclass and call him the best ever, he then plays the mental health card and eats himself into a 25 stone man baby that can't stop talking rubbish.