Tyson Fury has never defended a world heavyweight title

I should add, I make no complaint about Fury being stripped of the IBF. That was inevitable from the moment he won it, because he was bound to a Klitschko rematch and couldn't face the IBF mandatory. The IBF aren't the WBC, so Fury had to lose the belt.

The point I'm making is that Joshua is holding three versions of a title that, sanctioning body politics aside, is substantively Fury's. Joshua knows it, Matchroom know it (despite the PR spiel) and I do believe that everyone posting on this forum knows it.

 

Nice fella, that Joshua, keeping the king's belts toasty and warm for him;

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Hearn bought AJ the IBF. Martin being paid £6million to fight Joshua in England as champ. Then lay down at the first right hand

 

Most of these guys are terrible.

 

Agreed

 

Belts and titles mean NOTHING. HOT GARBAGE. HOT CORRUPT GARBAGE.

Fury beats the best easily as the underdog on away soil.

Fury is the best HW of this era

BY A MILE

The moment Fury walked into Wlad's camp in 2011 it was over for Wlad & he knew it.

Wlad is a dosser robot & AJ is a pumped up weight lifter.

WHO YOU BEAT
WHEN YOU BEAT THEM
HOW YOU BEAT THEM
HOW YOU SANG AFTERWARDS

Fury ticks all these boxes, the important boxes.

AJ could spend the next 5 years knocking over the Parkers and Whyte's of the world, doesn't mean anything though he'll still get SHREDDED by Fury & lose to a few fat man in the process.

Put respect on Furys name because people seem to still not grasp the fact he went to away soil as the underdog and DESTROYED two reigning world champions then sang afterwards and went for a pint. A true born and bred fighting man.


31 year old, suck it up chumps because the next 2-3 years are Fury taking names and destroying the competition.

 

[url]So this is the guy you're so sure would have beaten fury?[/url]

Make your minds up...

 

LOL, seriously? He was no lineal champ since he ducked rematch with Klitschko and left boxing for 3 years.

 

Is the lineal title any more real if you apply a strap of leather and some metal plates to it?

It's the purest title in the sport. The only truly substantive one. The man who beat the man.

Pretty much the entirety of the sport disagrees with you. The champ can only lose the lineage in the ring, unless he's confirmed as retired, in which case a new lineage is eventually awarded to whomever cleans up the rabble left behind by the retiree. A heavyweight champ taking 2-3 years between defenses of their status isn't unusual, historically. Johnson, Willard, Dempsey and Braddock all did it.

 

Full list of Heavyweight Lineage:
• John L. Sullivan (1885–1892)
• James J. Corbett (1892–1897)
• Bob Fitzsimmons (1897–1899)
• James J. Jeffries (1899–1905; retired)
• Marvin Hart (1905–1906)
• Tommy Burns (1906–1908)
• Jack Johnson (1908–1915)
• Jess Willard (1915–1919)
• Jack Dempsey (1919–1926)
• Gene Tunney (1926–1928; retired)
• Max Schmeling (1930–1932)
• Jack Sharkey (1932–1933)
• Primo Carnera (1933–1934)
• Max Baer (1934–1935)
• James J. Braddock (1935–1937)
• Joe Louis (1937–1949; retired)
• Ezzard Charles (1949–1951)
• Jersey Joe Walcott (1951–1952)
• Rocky Marciano (1952–1956; retired)
• Floyd Patterson (1956–1959)
• Ingemar Johansson (1959–1960)
• Floyd Patterson (1960–1962)
• Sonny Liston (1962–1964)
• Cassius Clay / Muhammad Ali (1964–1970; suspended)
• Joe Frazier (1970–1973)
• George Foreman (1973–1974)
• Muhammad Ali (1974–1978)
• Leon Spinks (1978)
• Muhammad Ali (1978–1979; retired)
• Larry Holmes (1980–1985)
• Michael Spinks (1985–1988)
• Mike Tyson (1988–1990)
• Buster Douglas (1990)
• Evander Holyfield (1990–1992)
• Riddick Bowe (1992–1993)
• Evander Holyfield (1993–1994)
• Michael Moorer (1994)
• George Foreman (1994–1997)
• Shannon Briggs (1997–1998)
• Lennox Lewis (1998–2001)
• Hasim Rahman (2001)
• Lennox Lewis (2001–2004; retired)
• Wladimir Klitschko (2009–2015)
• Tyson Fury (2015 – today)

 

Hm, I don't see a note stating that Braddock "ducked" Schmeling in '36 and didn't fight for two years, leading to him being stripped of the lineage. I do see that Braddock passed the lineage to Louis, though, despite the controversial cancellation of his scheduled '36 bout with Schmeling (who eventually got his shot at the crown in a rematch with Louis and was summarily smashed).

 

copy and paste job but well spotted. Lol

to be the man you gotta beat the man!

people who claim there’s zero value in the lineal title or it doesn’t exist disrespect the greats and trailblazers of the past.

 

No note was needed, friend. I was just using your post to poke a hole in the other fellow's idea that the cancellation of Fury-Klitschko II somehow invalidated Tyson's claim to the lineage.

 

Nah, nah, nah from what I've heard only ESPN crew disagrees with me and Wilder people so they could promote the fight better.

Fury beat Wlad and became the man, the lineal champ. Then he tested positive for drugs, cocaine, ducked a mandatory rematch with Wlad, was out of boxing for like 3 years while gaining 300 pounds and lost all of his belts. Then he came back but HW division changed a lot, Joshua was ranked as numer 1 in most of the respected boxing rankings. So Fury fought 2 nobodies, drew with Wilder for WBC, fought with another two really mediocre fighters and meanwhile AJ lost to Ruiz so Fury and Wilder became numer 1&2. And only after his last bout he can be called a legit lineal champ.

 

na, in 50 years the list will still be the same up to year 2020

Full list of Heavyweight Lineage:
• John L. Sullivan (1885–1892)
• James J. Corbett (1892–1897)
• Bob Fitzsimmons (1897–1899)
• James J. Jeffries (1899–1905; retired)
• Marvin Hart (1905–1906)
• Tommy Burns (1906–1908)
• Jack Johnson (1908–1915)
• Jess Willard (1915–1919)
• Jack Dempsey (1919–1926)
• Gene Tunney (1926–1928; retired)
• Max Schmeling (1930–1932)
• Jack Sharkey (1932–1933)
• Primo Carnera (1933–1934)
• Max Baer (1934–1935)
• James J. Braddock (1935–1937)
• Joe Louis (1937–1949; retired)
• Ezzard Charles (1949–1951)
• Jersey Joe Walcott (1951–1952)
• Rocky Marciano (1952–1956; retired)
• Floyd Patterson (1956–1959)
• Ingemar Johansson (1959–1960)
• Floyd Patterson (1960–1962)
• Sonny Liston (1962–1964)
• Cassius Clay / Muhammad Ali (1964–1970; suspended)
• Joe Frazier (1970–1973)
• George Foreman (1973–1974)
• Muhammad Ali (1974–1978)
• Leon Spinks (1978)
• Muhammad Ali (1978–1979; retired)
• Larry Holmes (1980–1985)
• Michael Spinks (1985–1988)
• Mike Tyson (1988–1990)
• Buster Douglas (1990)
• Evander Holyfield (1990–1992)
• Riddick Bowe (1992–1993)
• Evander Holyfield (1993–1994)
• Michael Moorer (1994)
• George Foreman (1994–1997)
• Shannon Briggs (1997–1998)
• Lennox Lewis (1998–2001)
• Hasim Rahman (2001)
• Lennox Lewis (2001–2004; retired)
• Wladimir Klitschko (2009–2015)
• Tyson Fury (2015 – today)