Tyson fury in historic context

So far, he's the best of the post-Klitschko era.
He ended the Klitschko reign. I thought he schooled Klitschko, to be honest.

I'm glad he's back.
Hopefully he can live up to his promise.

 

Unfortunately I suspect he's going to run head first into the only force that can truly beat him - a metric ton of christmas pudding, turkey, sausages, pies, ale and those little bits of pork crackling. Father Christmas has his number

 

You're making me hungry now.

 

Unlike most here, I will rate current fighters. I have him at 32 ATG heavy. But realize he could later be number 22 or number 122.
I like the danger!

 

On my cards, he beat Wlad in Germany and Wilder in the US. Even without the three year layoff, that's impressive stuff. Moreso to do it on the cards since those are two all-time caliber punchers.

 

I will never understand the near impossibility, to say nothing of the FOOLISHINESS associated with these 'Greatest/Achievement' based lists... they are at best wholly inaccurate, but worst of all IMPOSSIBLE!

DISCLAIMER - I understand 'trying' to list CHAMPIONS into an order of Who MIGHT the Better Champions be. I also LIKE Fury and Support him.

BUT???

How can anybody actually list fighters 'like' Fury (though he is Much, MUCH Improved and visibly too), But he/They are NOT GREAT fighters in the classic & typical understanding of Johnson, Jefferies, Dempsey, Tunney, LOUIS, WALCOTT, Charles, Marciano, ALI, Forman, Holmes, TYSON and too many more too numerous to list.

1st problem 'slotting' these Achievement Based fighters into Position(s) soon afterward gets them Spoke about as though they Are Greats, which a) Their NOT and B) it is not only unfitting but INSULTING to real great H2H Fighters - Champion and Contenders alike.

2cd problem is it begins to Write the WRONG & INNACURATE History, cheating so many far more superior and technically skilled First Rate Fighters.

I like Fury and again he is visibly a far better boxer than he was a few years ago, BUT He IS NOT a great Boxer, Fighter, BoxFighter or whatever you wish him to be.

I mean what about men like Holman Williams, Lloyd Marshall, Freddie Steele, Jock McAvoy, Len Harvey, or even guys like HW Jeremy Williams and the 'like' - who I think would have masterfully boxed rings around Fury and his ilk.

I just don't get it... today you Slot him in, tomorrow he gets spoken like an ATG and hundreds of great fighters never get thought of again.

It isn't just wrong, it is INACCURATE

 

Jeremy Williams?

Seriously?

 

My reaction too!

 

Fury was robbed of greatness last night imo.

 

He's the best of the post-Lewis era easily .

Achieved one of the best comebacks off all time. His footwork/movement/stamina after losing 100lbs in just a year was amazing to witness.
Fury is a 6'9 multi dimensional moving boxing phenomena and leagues greater than the duds that were around during the Klitschko era. This era is far greater and most would agree he's the #1

 

If he'd have won last night he d have joined a very select few that regained the actual lineal title. And beaten the odds to .Historically he'd have done rather well .Time will tell if he can reach the very top again.

 

Fury never lost the lineal title and Wilder never was lineal.

 

You use words like WRONG and INACCURATE... as if we're debating factual things here. Which, of course, we're not!

You're naturally entitled to believe everything today is ****, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're right. It's just your opinion!

Besides, claiming that Jeremy Williams would have "boxed rings around Fury and his ilk", doesn't exactly enhance your credibility in these kinds of discussions!

 

DON'T make the Context mistake here.

Williams is NOT a S-HW, so yes the BIGGER Men will usually beat the Smaller Man, that's obvious and history records thousands of such efforts of Small Great Fighters losing to BIGGER Men not necessary better... but that's NOT what we're talking about, are we?

the CONTEXT is ridiculously automatically throwing lesser world champions into Great/ACHIEVEMENT Based Lists, - and then Erroneously, all of a sudden, having them being discussed among the GREATS as though they are!

that's the CONTEXT, and then many a forgotten or excluded BETTER or Greater fighter who doesn't get thrown into such lists is inaccurately no longer relevant but a Fury suddenly is.

Jeremy Williams, the L-HW cum HW is a perfect example of a MUCH Better fighter & boxer to the Fury's whom get wrongly thrown in to such lists.

yes this Jeremy Williams.

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