Tyson Fury is not a British fighter

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by ElCep, Apr 14, 2013.


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  1. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Not what we'd call Irish but I think the Yanks work under a much looser definition of the word.
     
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  2. Metal Man

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    Macklin is not an Englishman.He was born in Birmingham to Irish parents.He's ethnically Irish he just happens to be born on this island but in the world of international travel etc imo your ethnic roots,tribal identity are more important than the plot of land your born on.The English actor Hugo Weaving was born in Nigeria so is he Nigerian?

    Alot of Irish 'hate' the English to this day and Macklin was probably brought up on some of that hatred.Particularly in the 60's and 70's it wouldnt have been easy for his parents being Irish immigrants in BirminghamSo its no wonder he would choose to represent Ireland after some of the stories he's probably heard.And im still amazed at how naive many English are regarding this subject.Like at major football tournaments the media in this country will give extra exposure to Ireland as if there is a common bond when there is no nation or culture of people that hate the English more than the Irish:rofl
     
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  3. eggboxer

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    Are you for real...hundreds of thousands of second and third generation Irish in ny .
     
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  4. Jack Dempsey

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    If thats true then all discussions regarding his fights must now posted in the European Forum

    That is all
     
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  5. cheekyvid

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    Right so an imaginary line on a map, a piece of earth upon which you came into being and raised on defines you, a sound from your mouth defines what you feel you are. Nonsense.

    Who the **** are we to tell Tyson Fury what he is? His family are Irish he says, he says he feels Irish, let him be Irish.
     
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  6. Metal Man

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    She's not bad looking from the pictures ive seen so from that perspective they probably are not related but it would be interesting to know her background.
     
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  7. Jack Dempsey

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  8. PaulieMc

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    An accent is more than just how you talk. It's how you think, how you see things, what your POV is. An accent defines who you are to an extent, it tells a stranger where you're from. You're accent lets people know what part of the world you're from. You represent you're town/city with you're accent.

    It's why it's so cringey when children and grandchildren of Irishman try to put on fake Irish accents themselves. Fury doesn't do this admittedly.

    Like I said, he can proud of his Irish roots all he likes, no problem with that. Just saying he's a Irishman when he wasn't born or raised there, it's a crappy argument. Martin Rogan said the same, imagine him saying he was Swiss just cause he has family who are from there.
     
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  9. eggboxer

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    also the english can't accept people having pride in their roots.fury is an Irish traveller .since when do English people accept travellers as their own ?...never.
    Until one does well.travellers in England stick to their own Irish friends /family largely and most still have Irish Accents and retain alot of their Irish culture so if fury wants to call himself Irish thats fine by me.
    My own father was born in London to irish parents and moved to Dublin aged 13 and never once considered himself English
    Also i know People born and rared in aus and new York to Irish parents and the fully consider themselves irish .why is it so hard for english people to understand

    Irish people have deep pride in their roots whether born in Ireland or abroad
    It's probably hard to understand if you don't come from here but we've a history unlike any other with millions forced to leave for economic reasons with a huge diaspora as a result
     
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  10. GazOC

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    People in New York can have one great grandparent out of 8 thats from Ireland and consider themselves Irish. Thats just bollocks IMHO.
     
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  11. Furey

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    He's an Irish traveller... in more popular terms a gypo/pikey.

    Irish heritage
     
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  12. FIN

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    He's an Irish Traveller,he's irish..
     
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  13. ero-sennin

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    It's a personal thing. I feel my environment defines my identity more than anything. I'm born in England and lived here my whole life so I feel English even though my folks are immigrants. It's different for everyone though and I don't have a problem with people who see it differently. You have Mexican American fighters carrying the Mexican flag into the ring. To me this isn't much different from say a British born ethnically Irish fighter having the Irish national anthem played before their fights.
     
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  14. PaulieMc

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    Agree completely mate. I just don't get why fellas like Fury and Macklin seem so hell bent on letting people know they're Irish, know what I mean?

    It's like they think if they say they're English then people will think less of them. That saying you're Irish suddenly makes you tougher. What's wrong with being English? You were born and raised in England but don't want to be English, why not? Why can't you just say "I'm English but I'm very proud of my Irish heritage, I like to think part of my blood is Irish." Saying something like that is fine. Just going like "I'm Irish, my family are Irish so that makes me Irish as well regardless of where I was born and raised. The Irish are fighting people." Again, it's like they think saying they're Irish automatically makes them better fighters.

    As much as I don't like Amir Khan I think he's got it right with this sort of thing. Born in England, raised in England so he's English. He says so himself. Proud of Middle-Eastern roots which he has every right to be be but England comes first and he has no shame in that.

    Why are fighters like Fury and Macklin so dead-set against being seen as English, I just don't get it.
     
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  15. glue glove

    glue glove Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My family are from castlecomer in kilkenny, but I was born and raised in england.

    That makes me english.

    Do you remember that film 'The Great White Hype' With Samuel L Jackson? That was taking the **** outta boxers using irish roots to get support.

    Bit like Fury and Macklin.
     
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