Tyson Fury legacy

Good but no Usyk.

 

Right now he clusters with Patterson, Walcott, Norton, Bowe, Schmeling, VitKlit, and Joshua. If he beats Joshua, even with the fight long past its sell date, he'll get a significant bump.

The problem is that his achievements are big on paper but problematic given Wladdy's age and the fact that Wilder was a con job. Also, too many of his best wins were Derrick Chisora, or people of Kingpin Johnson level.

Best wins...

WladKlit
Wilder II
Wilder III
Whyte
Chisora I
Wallin
Chisora II
Cunningham
Chisora III
Kingpin Johnson
Christian Hammer
Pianeta
Martin Rogan

Not exactly Ali, there.

And Ngannou did him no favors.

 

Tyson walked a very precarious tightrope during his career - and his legacy will now unfortunately be determined from those decisions.

Ultimately, I believe that he IS one of the top heavies h2h of all time - but he will not be remembered as such.

His resume was always far too heavily weighted in one direction. Had he beaten Usyk at least once, he would’ve been seen as one of the top guys ever, without having fought many significant names in his era. But his gamble on Wilder and Usyk being enough after dethroning Klitschko meant that he bet the house on beating Usyk essentially, from a legacy POV.

his years of not fighting other top contenders and instead rematching Chisora, for example, when the era was so stacked is just going to ultimately weigh against him historically. He won his biggest fight in Klitschko, built his latter reputation on beating Wilder, saw Wilders stock plummet mightily, and then lost to Usyk twice. And quite clearly the second time.

his resume is unfortunately very thin for such an all time talent, and I feel his historical standing will be based on that. Regardless of how people feel in the moment and how they like to justify their opinions - in the end it ALWAYS comes down to resume.

 

In my home country, we have a saying, and it goes "Lego my egocy." and I don't know if that translates or is relevant but I also do not see why it would not be, thank you.

 

Doesn't matter. He racked up a very good resume. He lost to Ruiz but avenged it. Lost to Usyk but so did everyone else who fought him.

As for Dubois, Fury has never fought Dubois so we've no idea how that fight goes.

But whilst Fury went on a coke fuelled binge AJ carried the division.

 

agreed.

and Fury still looked damn good in his last outing. If he could stay in that form, he could most likely take out AJ to add a bit.

second best of his era, and the biggest personality since Mike Tyson. He’s got a legacy he can be proud of.

 

but joshua knocked out klitchko while your boy beat him in one of the MOST boring title fights in history by barely throwing more punches. fury never hurt wlad while joshua knocked him out.
you slobber all over a man who disrespects himself and the sport by drinking heavily between bouts and balloons up in weight while dissing on some one who at least keeps himself in condition between his bouts.

 

Fury's never been knocked out despite flush hits from both Wilder and Usyks absolutely insane barrage.

AJ has twice now, and got wobbles by Dillian Whyte and nearly got KO'd by a 41 year old Wlad.

 

never said anything about fury's physical recovering abilities, which he has and i acknowledge them and respect them. but, fury HAS been wobbled as well and had been knocked down. so what? he was KNOCKED DOWN by an m.m.a. fighter in his first fight and went life or death with that m.m.a. fighter. fury also QUIT boxing for THREE years instead of rematching klitchko.
your point?

 

Wlad was coming off a loss and 18 months later almost stopped AJ. It was a great win for AJ but it was really close. Fury won clearly and never looked in danger of losing.

 

but which was the more convincing win? fury was never in trouble. nor was wlad. a knock out or a points win in one of the most BORING heavy title fights in history?

 

The Kabayel/Ruiz winner will probably have a case for being number 2 of the era unless Fury does more

Also Dubois if he beats Parker

 

Kabayel/Ruiz winner? Not following. Kabayel is fighting Shang next...Ruiz to my knowledge not even in talks with anyone.

Clarification?

 

Carnera like legacy if Carnera fought in a lesser era. If he beats AJ hes the clear number 2 if he doesn't whether hes 2nd or 3rd comes down to preference. People will still consider Fury the real champ of the era before Usyk but AJ will be ranked either right next to him or higher. If Usyk doesn't fight anyone else Fury will at times be rated over Usyk on the basis of Usyk not having a resume.

Fury debunked the idea "he wasn't that good and would lose to any real top HW" that was birthed by the Ngannou fight when he almost beat Usyk the first time. But he is not going to be nearly as well regarded as if he stayed retired after Whyte. That was his chance to quit while he was ahead and like virtually everyone else with that chance he blew it.

 

Probably needs to beat Dubious/Parker and get a belt back to salvage his legacy now. He's better than Dubious and Parker obviously, but the way public opinion works and the fickleness of fandom, apparently Dubious is amazing now because he beat faded AJ.
Dubious is probably Whyte level in the end. So is Parker as seen by his close fight with Whyte.

Fury should look for that fight if he wants to improve his legacy, otherwise retire.

Problem with the AJ fight is that AJ will be considered damaged goods now and a victory won't be given much credit. But if Fury gets KO'd, his legacy will be in tatters because all the people who have an agenda will claim AJ was always better and Wilder was always worse than AJ etc., without putting Fury's decline in context. AJ is also past prime but I suspect Fury might be the 'older' fighter at this point.

The fight is high risk / low reward for reputation now which is actually why AJ wants it, because he doesn't have as much to lose after getting badly KO'd by Dubious, something unlikely to happen against Fury.