Tyson Fury on Anthony Joshua: 'He's only for cleaning Gyms, if you want an easy win - fight him.

I see... and would Tyson Fury be a top 3 win for Anthony Joshua?

 

Dude...you don't get it. Wilders resume is even worse than Furys! Wilders resume is s million times worse than AJs for crying out loud.

You want to rate Wilder higher based on looking better against Helenius? But of course, you somehow said resumes don't matter. That's utterly ridiculous. NO ONE would agree with that. How do you think guys get shots, based on.....THEIR RESUME. Based on who they beat and their rank. You can't disregard rank over hating AJ. And lets be honest, that's all this is about, you hate AJ for some reason. Why?? He **** in your cereal?

And you now said, Wilder should get a FOURTH try against Fury....even though you say AJ had more than enough shots?? WTH dude??? That's inconsistent with all you've stated.

As for Joyce, obviously that's NOT a false equivalency, as you mentioned you'd prefer to see him against Fury over AJ already.

You're expectations are unrealistic. Just giving anyone a shot "Because they are new" is not how boxing works. That's not how rankings work. NONE of that has ever been the case in the history of the sport. But you hate AJ again. And that's all it really is, hence the inconsistent requirements, the dismissal of rank over a new face. And the ridiculous notion that resumes don't matter.

 

Another false equivalence. Performance against a common opponent ≠ Resume debate. Helenius sucks. He should not even be mentioned when referring to resume. But Wilder outdid aj 7 times over, literally when both fought Helenius. Both came off loses and Wilder did way better in his comeback I think he deserves a spot above overrated aj, even if both are overrated

I dont care about AJ's "resume". He's been utterly humiliated by 2 different opponents in the span of 3 years, lost his belts twice, got taken to school in the Usyk rematch and now it's back to square one. So why even bother when you will never change my opinion on the matter

I couldn't give a crap about aj or Wilder against Fury they are old news. I want Fury vs Usyk or Fury vs upcoming new contenders who should get the chance to show the world what they have if they have it

 

I don't think you understand what a false equivalency is. I never said they were equal Markus. However, it is flawed. The point of a boxing match is to win. Not every one is a KO artist. Some guys outbox their opponent, some guys pummel them. One isn't necessarily better than the other guy, other then style preference.

And to be honest, in the HW division, ANYONE can catch their opponents for a KO. These are all large hard hitting men. Out boxing one over 12 shows more skill IMO. But that's moot, since aside from a bad start, AJ got him out in 7.

So AJ lost to a couple of guys. He avenged one defeat. Tried and had more success in the Usyk rematch. So...? The # of undefeated HWs can be counted on one hand.

You want to place Wilder above AJ due to BOTH beating the same guy. Yet Aj was a recognized and unified World champ. Wilder was a mere titleholder. That doesn't mean anything to you, but guess what, the rest of the world sees that differently.

I know I won't change your opinion. But logic and debunking your weird personal criteria deserves a shot. You're simply an irrational hater. And posters like you have no ability to fairly or logically discuss the fighter you hate. Sorry to say, but that's you dude.

And you've dodged this, but how long has you been in to boxing? Just how old are you? Those aren't always relevant, but they paint a picture. And with the oddballl things you've said, the sheer level of inconsistency in which you apply your own criteria, suggests not very long. If that's the case, that's alright. But for f*ck's sake, try to learn the sport. Not tailor it to what you think it should be. Because that's pointless. Justas is your "Should face someone new". Which BTW, Aj v Fury WOULD be someone new, since they have not fought. Wilder v Fury would be #4, and NOT new. Inconsistency galore.

 

He outdid him 7 times over because he took 7 times fewer rounds to win? Is that your understanding of boxing, seriously?

Joshua won all but 1 round and ended it with a resounding KO. You don't outdo that 7 times, period.

In Wilder's case we didn't even get to learn much about where he's at because of Helenius reckless mistake. Yes, he reacted well and he has silly power (which we already knew). But how he would do against a smart and cautious Helenius that looked to frustrate him like he did Joshua we don't know, only that he was good enough to exploit Helenius (quite bad) mistake.

In the end both KO'd him without having much problems or being close to losing. That's really all she wrote. Making it out like there's this massive difference just because he lasted longer against Joshua is frankly quite silly.

 

That's what I'm hoping for. Fury getting slept by a MMA guy in his first boxing match. AND THE GODS SMILED.

 

You equated the point of performance comparison to resume comparison that's exactly what you did. When I compared performances you countered with the same old resume argument.

He got a busted nose via Helenius jab. He wasn't trying to outbox em, he just lacks confidence.

"The rest of the world sees it differently"

Exaggeration ? Are are you being serious right now ? Lol

You debunked nothing. All you do is bring up resume resume resume. I don't give a crap. Both are old news aj and wilder and have had their shots PLURAL. Newer condenders have been waiting. New people need to get a chance at the title meanwhile aj and Wilder should build back up via fighting contenders just as other contenders are doing

29 years old been watching boxing since late teens. This attributes do not paint a picture, you're just ducking the actual premise of the argument by trying the good ol Ad Hominem fallacy. You admitted it yourself by claiming the questions aren't really relevant here ? So again, why ask them ?

 

Actually yes, there is a massive difference. Aj failed to capitalize on numerous mistakes thats why it lasted so long. Why try to outbox Helenius when stylistically the best approach is to take it to him ? All aj did was expose his limited boxing ability be catching jabs from big H and failing to take him out early when he could have. Wheras Wilder took the shot first round because he saw the opportunity and took the chance

 

Helenius rushed in in a way he didn't do against Joshua. His performance against Joshua was quite measured.

 

So why didn't aj take it to him, oh I know. He has a terrible confidence issue and still fights the Ruiz loss to this day

 

You must really hate aj if you want him to fight Fury. I can saw whatever I want about the guy, because words aren't physical attacks, but YOU ? You could actually get aj hospitalized if both Fury and aj took your advice

 

Listen. Bokaj. This is my two cents. aj will NEVER best Fury in the ring. Aj only chance is to attack Fury. He can't even convince himself to attack Helenius on the front foot, so how would this fight be competitive ?

You think aj can just go in there and outbox Fury ? Cmon man. If you truly want aj to beat Fury, best option is to have him regain confidence via rebuilding, and even then Fury is still a better fighter

 

Otto Wallin had a more competitive fight with Fury and busted his face open.
Did Fury expose his limited punching power when 121-year-old Chisora made it to ROUND 10?

 

At this point Wallin would probably beat Chisora

 

What has this do to with a single word that I've been saying? Answer that, and I'll answer your question.