Tyson Fury simply outclassed Wladimir Klitschko (VIDEO)

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  1. Oxygene2

    Oxygene2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Manner of the loss was still too revealing. There's getting older and then there's losing almost every round, albeit neither fighter did loads of work.

    I scored some 10-10 rounds but the reality is that under the current judging conditions, this fight was probably 10-2 or 11-1.
     
  2. Oxygene2

    Oxygene2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If he doesn't lack heart, then he obviously lacks the quick wit.
     
  3. GloriaAblaze

    GloriaAblaze Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah but it's not like Fury came in and just completely annihilated Wlad and gave him a boxing lesson landing 100s of punches, he didn't do much himself, he just did slightly more than Wlad (which was nothing), enough to give him the round.

    ... To me it looked like a case of Wlad not being able to pull the trigger on a guy who even in his prime he'd have trouble with due to styles.
     
  4. GloriaAblaze

    GloriaAblaze Active Member Full Member

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    The whole fight was a non-affair, it was two guys posing and feinting at each other for 12 rounds, one threw nothing, the other was throwing a few arm shots here and there.
     
  5. Oxygene2

    Oxygene2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Precisely. I think he'd struggle at any point due to styles. Size did help Fury, but I think what he revealed goes beyond the mere matter of size and would translate down to smaller heavyweights too (not too small). Point being: Wladimir was frozen into inactivity far too easily through feints. The size helped out extra, because Fury could maintain great distance control while still getting off due to his height and reach; but what the feints and unorthodox — and in my view more natural — fighting style that Fury delivered revealed was the lack of ability for adaptation from Wlad, whom has a potent and effective script of his own but gets into a vicious logic loop when he has to fight against the grain against someone who has the adequate talents for ring generalship. Fury has it.

    Many former greats had it.

    As such, I think the loss was definitely revealing.

    I still think Wladimir is a great heavyweight and I'm not suggesting he's some sort of terrible fighter, but rather pointing out that the manner of the loss was revealing of a major flaw in his skill-set beyond reasonable doubt.
     
  6. GloriaAblaze

    GloriaAblaze Active Member Full Member

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    Honestly, if Wlad fights on I think it's only a matter of time before he loses again even discounting Fury, Wlad in my opinion is nearly done as a fighter, yes you can say a flaw was "discovered" but it's no coincidence this flaw was discovered now either, heck, Jennings had a reasonable close fight with Wlad, guy who started boxing 5 years ago and only recently has been doing it full time.

    When he signed that deal with RTL, I'm sure everyone thought that was a bad deal, Wlad didn't have five fights in him.
     
  7. Oxygene2

    Oxygene2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Definitely and clearly a Wladimir past his former pomp.
     
  8. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't know man. Maybe "no heart" is a little harsh and he was really stunned with Fury's movement but I'm not sure If that was the reason he throw 19 punches in entire 12 rounds. Seemed to me he was intimitated with Fury's reach and didn't like the idea of getting countered. He should've at least hit Fury's guard or shouders to make him feel that power at least once or twice in each round.

    And I didn't mean he has no heart like he's a p*ssy, I meant he doesn't have the heart of an all-time great.

    Btw when you said Steward in his corner, were you referring to him screaming at Lewis "you're losing the fight" against Vitali? Wlad-Fury and Lennox-Vitali are really similar situations to support your argument about Steward.
     
  9. divac

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    Wlad did not figure anyone out in the 12th. The 12th was Wlad getting a little braver because he knew that if Fury hurt him, he might be able to survive it being the last round.

    Wlad fought scared the whole fight.
     
  10. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pretty much, and Rummy calls that impressive from Fury. :lol:
     
  11. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wlad, the master boxer, according to some, the greatest of all time, had to take 12 rounds to figure out that all Tyson Fury was doing was potshotting him.

    I remember when Wladmir would have knocked out Foreman, outboxed Ali and knocked out Lennox Lewis.
     
  12. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    I was screaming at the TV for Wlad to be more aggressive and take some risks! What a frustrating fight. Fury deserved it though, can't fault him there. Happy to take another L on m prediction record there!

    So many times Wlad had a good chance to throw that right and it just never came. Woeful performance
     
  13. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I get what you are saying now. :thumbsup

    And I agree that he should have been throwing to the chest are arms when he found Fury's face to be such a surprisingly elusive target. I also think Wlad should have tried throwing more pawing jabs as he pressed, where he followed that up quickly with a stiffer double jab or that short hook he used to use so well off the jab.

    Yes, that was exactly the fight and moment I was thinking of (I know I worded that funny when I said it). Steward has told that story several times, where he told Lennox "You got to take it to the streets".

    But I think (and I'm obviously just speculating) that if Emanuel was in Wlad's corner after 4 rounds of Wlad having that type of trouble, he would have been ALL OVER Wlad one way or another.

    And while I was specifically thinking of the moment you mentioned, I am also reminded of Emanuel screaming to Lewis vs Tyson "You have a dead man standing in front of you!" and when he was even angrier yelling at Doc Nicholson after Golota had deliberately headbutted him.

    Would Emanuel have gotten through to Klitschko? I don't know. But I think he would have had a better chance at getting Wlad to respond than most trainers, Banks in particular (and I'm not meaning to sound anti-Banks - I am just a big fan and believer of Emanuel).
     
  14. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Thanks Jeff. :thumbsup

    I never thought I'd see the day where Wlad was outjabbed since Lewis retired. But I think, again, that this all came down to the tremendous head movement and upper body movement that was being displayed by Fury.

    If Tyson Fury stood upright with no real movement of his head or torso, I think Wlad would have looked fine.

    A lot of people are harping on Fury's size, and surely that played a role in it, but the biggest thing was the head movement. Wlad doesn't like to let go unless he thinks there's a good chance he'll find the target. Fury was floating like a butterfly.

    So I would say to everyone stressing Fury's size as the biggest factor... I strongly disagree! Put another way, I think Wlad has an easy time with Valuev or Primo, because they don't use the type of movement Fury was using, whereas someone like Ali (when at his best) used all kinds of similar movements. Ali was smaller than Fury, but considerably faster all around.

    I think against most taller opponents, Wlad wacks them out early. It wasn't the height, but the movement. At least the way I see it.
     
  15. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fury was floating like a butterfly but sure as hell wasnt stinging like no bee :lol: