Tyson Fury : Usyk HAS to fight me in december he doesnt have a choice

I think the bit you're missing is that Fury has played this game multiple times without anything actually happening.
All of us that love the sport want it to happen, but that has no bearing on what's happening behind closed doors.
The reality is Tyson talks a lot sometimes contradicting within the same week.
I disagree with your ascertain that the decision purely is down to Usyk. That isn't consistent with history, one takes challenges on the other on most occasions talks a lot then deflects when it doesn't happen.

 

That's not my assertion.

But if Usyk doesn't agree it definitely can't happen.

I reckon it's a bluff, same as everyone else, but I'd love Usyk to call the bluff and back Fury into a situation where the fight definitely has to happen.

 

Can’t remember. I’m not so feel.

 

Who cares what Fury is doing? Doesn't justify Usyks inactivity and poor selection of opponents. If he's wasting time on opponents like Dubois he should at least fight more frequently. He should have signed to fight Hrgovic already.

 

Would you prefer he fought someone on their boxing debut?

 

So Usyk recently gave an interview saying he was recovering from injuries from the Dubois fight still and would need a 14 week camp to prepare for Fury.

Fury then comes out saying fight has to happen in December with only 10 weeks left in the year. With Fury fighting at the end of the month does anyone seriously believe he wants to fight again so soon? It's clearly Fury trolling again, he knows he isn't going to fight again so soon.

Fury isn't being serious he's just throwing Usyk's name out there to promote his upcoming fight.

 

My honest opinion and hunch from the beginning was Fury ageing out Usyk out. Yes Fury hasn't looked after himself, but he's a giant who's proven he can go the distance even when not in shape, genetically speaking he's an outlier. Usyk on the other hand relies on speed and has a very extensive amateur record.. So delaying the fight in my eyes only benefits Fury. I think Usyk's last fight gives Fury some confidence but that doesn't mean he takes the fight straight away.
The myth of Fury like Mayweather relies on being unbeaten, once that's broken it's all done, therefore they play a longer game to ensure the odd's are heavily in their favour. Fury was always smoke and mirrors and I followed him from the start of his career, his words however don't match his actions and that's not an opinion it's simply fact.

 

I never felt the risk/reward would be right for Fury to fight Usyk tbh. Whilst I don't have him down as someone who ducks a challenge, I can't imagine him ever abiding the thought of losing to someone so much lighter than him.

I watched Fury since his debut, I remember his very poor performance Vs McDermott that he should have lost, I remember him punching himself in the face, being grossly overweight against Chisora, being outboxed and Cunningham and obviously his breakdown after beating Wlad.

Fury is a genetic freak, it's strange seeing someone who's so visibly not in shape being so clearly in shape. Bizarre stuff.

But right now him and Usyk need to fight and even if he is just bluffing, I want Usyk to call that bluff and bring the fight closer to reality.

I pick Usyk to beat him anyways.

 

I don't disagree with you on any point, I'm just a little tired of Fury chatting shite, and yes there's less motive for Fury because he can claim he's had all the belts, not at the same time but that's less pertinent with the general public. Usyk has gone out of his way and clearly stated that's his ambition.
So Fury has the upper hand in the power dynamic which is my whole point.
I hope it happens this year but I'm far from confident.

 

Which injuries?

And how does Usyk's name sell a fight when Tyson Fury is the bigger star?

 

Take a moment to remove your strongly biased lenses, and you'll realize that Usyk has gained significant recognition among boxing enthusiasts worldwide. After defeating Joshua twice, his name carries weight beyond America and the UK, placing him on par (or close to) Wilder in terms of recognition. While he might have Fury's level of fame, unless Fury squares off against Joshua (which seems unlikely), the next biggest name in the boxing world is Usyk. Usyk doesn't need Fury's status, that's why he conceded to the 70/30 lion's share. At this stage, Fury needs Usyk more than Usyk needs him - Fury is still seen as the giant that ducked the little man.

Following his rather embarrassing experience during the initial round of public negotiations with Usyk, Fury needs to regain the public's confidence. Additionally, with his impressive victory over Joshua, there's no denying that Usyk has made a significant mark on the global stage. So, don't argue otherwise by saying, "No, they don't." I live in a distant corner of the world that has relatively underwhelming coverage of international boxing, but even here, Usyk's achievements haven't gone unnoticed. If you can't see that, I'm not sure what more I can say.

If you genuinely believe that Fury can ignore Usyk and remain unscathed, you're mistaken, and it's unlikely that you'll be swayed by a rational discussion.

 

None of any of that means that his name sells a fight, let alone a cross promotional one against an MMA fighter. As an exercise, try to envision any profitable scenario in which Usyk can fight an MMA guy on a PPV event.

The truth is that Usyk can't draw flies to a landfill. AJ's PPV numbers against Usyk were identical to his fights vs. Ruiz, Povetkin, etc. Usky added nothing to the equation. He doesn't promote or anything, he just fights...

...and only does that once a year, killing any real popularity-based momentum his skill might garner him. What injuries are he recovering from?

 

Fury vs Chisora 3 = Less than 400,000 PPV buys - When Heard asked for receipts he didn't provide them

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Fury vs Whyte = Less than 550,000 buys (Fish eyes even went on record to say 'I can't remember how many it did...')

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Joshua vs Usyk = 1,232,000 PPV buys
Joshua vs Usyk 2 = 1,249,000 PPV buys

Seeing as Usyk isn't a draw, I guess Joshua attracted the combined number of 2.5 million buys, all by himself? If that's the case, he is way more popular than Fury. I guess the Fury fans continue to lie about how popular Fury is...I wonder if they'd lie about how 'unpopular' Usyk is then?

 

LOL. Yes, AJ is a bigger draw than Fury. Joshua does a million buys with everyone, hence why I said that Usyk adds nothing to the table from a promotional standpoint. AJ/Ruiz 2 did 1.5 million buys...

... How many buys did Usyk/Dubois do?

And please tell me what injuries Usyk is recovering from. This is my third time asking.

Thanks.

 

• It was rumoured to have done similar numbers to Fury vs Chisora 3 - but like Fury/Chisora, they weren't released by K2 or fish eyes.
• The numbers for Bellew vs Usyk was over 600k, but I suppose Usyk had nothing to do with that?
• The numbers for Chisora vs Usyk were almost the same at Fury vs Chisora 3 (which was more than what Whyte mustered up in his own country). So either Chisora brought all the PPV's for both fights, or Usyk does indeed bring eyes to the event.

Your triangle theories of eliminating Usyk don't work. He has out-sold every active UK heavyweight not named Joshua or Fury (and has been part of the biggest UK HW PPV in the last 2 years) ... so, tell me, how is Usyk not a draw?

Regarding the injury, how the hell am I meant to know that? That's like asking what age the boar was that Fury consumed the PED-fuelled meat from?