Tyson Fury vJim Jeffries 15rds

I swear Fury is closer to six seven and Wilder six five.

 

That's good.

Boxing back then was a toughman contest though. The guys with any amount of skill that were ahead of the curve at all were the champs.

If you cant watch the films and discern the difference in skill and ability between Jeff and guys like Louis or Frazier or Dempsey or you name him, you're beyond help. You have no business talking about this stuff.

Not you personally; I'm not attacking you personally, just generally, but it may apply to you too haha

 

Some may argue it's as deep as today because boxing isn't as popular anymore.

Then 1980s is terrible, as Holmes got title shot right after retirement.

Every era has terrible contenders getting a shot. Leon Spinks is a perfect example of than, except that he won the title. How terrible 1970s era was!

 

Imagine if the only film we had of Fury was a 30 second grainy clip of him uppercutting himself in the face.

And the only clip we had of Wilder was any of the rounds in his rematch with Ortiz before the knockout.

And then the only clip we had of Ortiz was a grainy reduced frame rate of his victory over Malik Scott.

And the only footage of Scott was his loss to Chisora.

Relying on such limited footage for a stylistic analysis is dangerous. You have to read into the styles and read all the fight reports you can find.

 

So by your definition Joe Gans, Packey McFarland, Jack O'Brien, Sam Langford, Bob Fitzsimmons, Terry McGovern were just tough men without any skills?
Boxing existed way before 1900s, these guys were skilled.

Funny that you put Dempsey in the same sentence with the rest when Jack Johnson fought in Jeffries era and Dempsey era. I mean, Jeffries fought his last fight in 1910, that's only a few years before Dempsey started.

I actually see Jeffries as better fighter in some ways than Dempsey. Jeffries was definitely better clincher and he seemed to have better left uppercut. He's also bigger and stronger. I don't see anything to believe that Dempsey is entire levels above Jeffries.

 

Found this excerpt from:

Dubuque Telegraph Herald
16 November 1901

Jeffries Is the Victor

Ruhlin Gives Up In The fifth Round And Retires

San Francisco Nov 16


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That's also true and sad for boxing as a whole. So much has been lost and its hard to make a proper evaluation without decent footage.

 

He still looks better than Chisora though, that's my point.

I agree, Jeffries looked extremely well at 227 lbs in Johnson fight. A shame that it didn't help him regaining his skills and physical gifts.

Comparing Jeffries retirement to Fitzsimmons "retirement" is ridiculous and you know that. Jeffries stopped training and left boxing behind him. Fitzsimmons was still active, he never stopped training and he had enough left in tank that even after Jeffries loss he beat up Gardner and beat O'Brien in all but official result.

 

Definitely!

 

Definitely. You kinda have to rely on the reporters and writers of the day to be your eyes into the past.

 

BS. Read had the headline. 5 rounds of easy work. And yes he was floored more than once . What a joke you are Mcvey.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/121807934?searchTerm=Jeffries vs Ruhlin boxing


https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AAIBAJ&sjid=U5sDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6286,717074&hl=en

^^^ This read says Jeffries won round 1. So much for Ruhlin winning the first two rounds. Lol. It also says Ruhlin was down twice, as I said. In addition Ruhlin was badly hurt in round two, who would score a round for a man when he was badly hurt? That would be an even round at best for Ruhlin.

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  Box rec says:

• There was a crowd of 10,000.
• The gate was over $40,000.
• The fighters received 62½ percent of the gate, which was divided 75 percent to 25 percent in favor of the champion.
• Jeffries was a 2 to 1 favorite.
• Jeffries claimed to weigh 212 pounds, but Ruhlin's seconds said he appeared to be about 225.
• Ruhlin was knocked down once in the fourth round and once in the fifth.
• Between the fifth and sixth rounds, Denver Ed Martin, one of Ruhlin's seconds, told the referee, "We give up."
• The Akron Daily Democrat reported the following on November 16, 1901:

Almost from the beginning of the fight Ruhlin appeared to be scared. In the second round, when Jeffries landed a left hook on the jaw, it seemed that all the fight was gone out of Gus. In the fifth, after a round in which Ruhlin had all the worst of the fighting, he was assisted to his corner and claimed that a chance blow on the pit of the stomach had rendered him unfit for fighting. His seconds tried to induce him to continue, but Gus insisted that he was the victim of an accidental punch. Jeffries walked to Ruhlin's corner, asked what was the mutter, and then turned and went to his dressing room, while the crowd cheered him and denounced Ruhlin as a quitter and a faker.

Post-Fight Comments

• Jeffries: "I was certainly surprised at my easy victory and Ruhlin's amazing defeat. While it is true that he did not punish me hard enough during the five rounds to cause me any alarm, I believed him strong and cautious up to the moment of his collapse, and was surprised when he quit. I certainly had no difficulty in whipping him, and had the fight gone on the result must have been the same. Ruhlin was inaccurate and in poor wind, and I cannot say that he even had the courage and force I expected to encounter in him."