Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder 3 - Discussion and Poll

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Vegan Beast, Jun 7, 2021.

Fury vs Wilder

  1. Fury TKO/KO

    155 vote(s)
  2. Fury decision

    28 vote(s)
  3. Draw

    3 vote(s)
  4. Wilder KO/TKO

    44 vote(s)
  5. Wilder decision

    1 vote(s)
  1. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

    Aug 19, 2020
    I'm putting an insurance bet on Wilder by KO, but I'm 90% sure Fury takes this by stoppage.

    Going for Fury stoppage in round 8. Wilder will hold on longer this time, but wont make the final bell.

    I see Wilder putting up a brave fight for 3-4 rounds, and making it harder for Fury, but after a short while he'll start gassing out and be on his back foot again and Fury will gradually dismantle him.
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  2. N17

    N17 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 16, 2013
    Wilder TKO/KO.

    He just needs a few small adjustments (mainly mental), better tactics and he carries enough power to stop any Heavyweight.

    He was a whisker away from stopping Fury in the first fight, don't forget that, we are talking a second or two on that second count.

    Some referees would have waved that off the way Fury went down and didn't move, Wilder wasn't far away whatsoever.

    Sure, Fury put a beating on him in the second fight, a one sided beatdown, but now the expectation is there for Fury to repeat that performance and that result.

    Wilder is under no pressure in many ways, the majority believe Fury walks through him again, it's a completely different set of circumstances.

    I honestly think Wilder can win this fight, Yes, It will be an upset but I don't think it will be a huge upset.
  3. Leeroy84

    Leeroy84 Active Member Full Member

    May 7, 2016
    I think Wilder would have more of a chance if there were no press conferences. But after Fury questions Wilders stupid excuses from the second fight in the upcoming conferences, I think Wilder will break mentally.

    Fury by KO in rounds 3/4.
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  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 4, 2005
    Wilder is a massive underdog here even if Fury isn't as focused and prepared as last time.

    Fact is Fury completely took apart his style, took away his ability to deliver the right hand and then battered him. Sure he was close to KOing Fury in fight 1 but that was 50% Fury who was fighting a different style, he won't be fighting that Fury again.

    If Wilder is to have a better chance than last time he will need to make some serious changes otherwise he will again be backed up and have no way to land his power. Can he do this at 35 when he's shown to be intractable in the past and has hired a yes man in Scott to train him? I doubt it.

    Personally I see this as a foregone conclusion, Fury stops him again.
  5. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Aug 30, 2018
    Possibly but I think any referee that did that would be out of his mind.

    A fighter doesn't have to start moving after 2 or 3 seconds, he has to get up before the referee counts ten and should be given the chance to do so.

    Of course, it's different if a fighter has been absolutely smashed but I don't think Fury was in this case. Neither of Wilder's punches landed cleanly on the button and that's what saved Fury.
    It's also the reason why I don't think him beating the count was the stunning miracle that some people made it out to be.

    That and the fact it was the final round of a world title fight that most people thought Fury was clearly winning means, for me, that any referee would be totally wrong for waving the fight off without giving Fury the chance to get up and then assessing how he is before allowing it to continue.

    The flip side to this is that, in my opinion, Fury has not yet been really nailed cleanly by one of Wilder's explosive punches.

    If Wilder manages to do it in their third fight, Fury will likely get knocked out.

    Fury is the strong favourite but Wilder is only ever one punch away from winning.

    I think Wilder will do better in this fight but I'm predicting a wide points victory or a late stoppage for Fury.
  6. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Apr 22, 2012
    Picking Wilder for the first time. I think Fury's distracted.
  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 4, 2005
    He is distracted because of inactivity. I think Fury needs to be fighting regularly otherwise those demons emerge, his handlers need to keep him busy in the future to ensure he doesn't fall into bad habits. He needs to be always preparing for another fight to keep his focus.

    But now the Wilder fight is secured I'm sure those distractions will be pushed aside and as the fight draws closer we'll seem more of the driven and focused Fury we saw last time.
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  8. First Round KO

    First Round KO Well-Known Member Full Member

    Sep 14, 2013
    Fury by brutal first round destruction.
  9. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

    Aug 19, 2020
    The difference is that in the first fight Fury's tactics were to fight on the outside. His manager/trainer and commentators were screaming "don't go for him". Everyone thought this is how you beat wilder back then, but eventually, Wilder got found out, and it was revealed that educated aggression is the actual way you beat Wilder.

    If you start fighting on the inside Wilder has nothing.

    Fury noticed this by how he almost finished Wilder a couple of times in the first fight but was instructed to just hold and wait for a decision.

    Fury has a high ring IQ, so he parted ways with his old trainer who likely would have trained him to fight the same way, and teamed up with someone else, changed his game plan, and it was Fury's change in tactics that shocked Wilder.

    Fury is not going to sit on the outside, because we all know if you do that vs Wilder, you're likely getting KO'd. If you go after wilder, hurt him and force him to back away, then you've got a great chance of winning. Ortiz almost did it in the first fight, Fury showed everyone how to do it in the 2nd.

    In the 2nd fight, Wilder came close with a couple of right's in the first round, but after that, he had literally nothing. Same tactics from Fury this time, and Fury mauls 9/10.

    Wilder has a 1/10 punchers chance, that's it. There is nothing you can teach Wilder now that will make a difference, other than maybe to throw that jab more, that's it.
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  10. Dodgy Syrup

    Dodgy Syrup Active Member banned Full Member

    Mar 20, 2019
    I have a feeling it'll be more like the first fight than the second.

    Fury has never been an especially explosive knock out artist, so I reckon he'll box and move and take it on points.

    The unknown is Wilder.

    As much as a I dislike the man, and think he is overrated, he does seem to have the ability to look awful and then suddenly crack someone and put them down.

    This is by no means a given for Fury, but assuming he does everything right I think he'll take it on the cards and then he can finally move on and we can hopefully see him face Joshua later in the year (assuming Joshua gets past Usyk if that happens).
  11. N17

    N17 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 16, 2013

    Yeah, I agree, tactics played a huge part in the second fight, Wilder looked completely unprepared for Fury's tactics.

    He shouldn't have been, he should have prepared for a few different scenarios, could have been arrogance, could have been just Fury's skill and size.

    But he should be prepared this time or at least try to prepare for a Fury on the front foot.

    Have to add, although it was a one sided beating, Wilder didn't quit, stayed in there, took his licks and his corner threw the towel in, rightly in my opinion, but he didn't quit.

    I'm reasonably confident Wilder wins, I believe he lands a huge right hand and ends it, it has to be that right hand and power because that's all he has.
  12. N17

    N17 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 16, 2013

    We've all seen it happen many many times before, a fighter go down, looks spark out and the referee waves it off quickly, calls in the Drs.. then a fighter stands up and starts going crazy.

    But what happened after Fury laid there motionless for a few seconds tells us the referee was right not to wave it off.

    But if he did, if the referee waved that off it wouldn't have been an outrageous stoppage.
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  13. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

    Aug 19, 2020
    Do you believe, then, that Wilder is essentially the #1 heavyweight?
  14. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Aug 30, 2018
    Well, I certainly can't think of 'many, many times' where a fighter has gone down, looks spark out, the referee waves it off, calls the doctors in and then the fighter stands up and starts going crazy....

    It sounds to me like that it would be pretty unlikely that all of those things could happen within ten seconds anyway.

    I never thought Fury was spark out, more like he was lying there thinking '**** it!! Why did this have to happen now???'

    So from my perspective, I think it would have been an outrageous stoppage if the referee waved it off there and then.
    But it's all a matter of opinion.
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  15. 007 373 5963

    007 373 5963 Member Full Member

    May 30, 2020
    Wilder by first round, first punch KO. Also, this one punch will simultaneously unite all countries and end world hunger. The king will return and his people will all benefit greatly.
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2021
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