Tyson Fury vs Dillian Whyte 2022 - Discussion and polll

Beating a guy you already beat makes you the best? Even though Fury has yet to fight MOST of the top heavyweights? And saying Fury can beat everybody is not the same as doing it. Fights are not won with words, they are won in the ring. And why WOULDN'T you guys want to see Fury fight Whyte? Is it because you know he could lose? And Wilder turned down 120 million to fight Fury instead so yeah, even Wilder knew he would lose that fight with AJ. Whyte too. That's why Wilder refused to fight Whyte when he was the mandatory. I don't want to hear any more "woulda, coulda, shoulda" from Fury. Fight the best or you are a chump. Period. no more excuses and Seferi fights.

 

I will keep hope alive that team AJ realizes they need more time, and allows Usyk to go straight for Fury. That's the fight we all need in March.

 

Where did I say I didn't want to see Whyte Vs Fury?

Happy to see it as Fury will give Dillian a good hiding.

 

Actually there is a very strong debate to be had for arguing against Fury being the clear best in the division. That's why we need to see the Usyk fight. Wilder did not rank higher than Joshua at any time he fought him, so even though Fury spanked his ass three times that doesn't somehow elevate him above the man who beat Joshua for three of the recognised world title belts. And if it does then it's not by a clear margin.

As for Wilder getting beaten by a lot of top heavyweights, the argument there boils down to how little we really know of Wilder's quality vs the rest of the division. We know where guys like Whyte and Chisora and Povetkin and Parker etc rank because they've fought each other at one time or another. Wilder, aside from Ortiz and a few fringe guys in the States, has fought none of them. And Ortiz himself has only really fought Jennings, so it's difficult to rate him as well.

My gut feeling is Wilder could potentially lose to a lot of the top twenty guys due to his reckless style and past struggles against lower level guys he was supposed to blow away. But I will admit I was impressed by his losing effort against Fury the last time out, so I wouldn't be surprised if I was proven wrong. Saying he would 100% sleep Joshua and Whyte is a very silly statement to make though. Nowhere near enough evidence to make such a bold claim.

 

Truth!

I still fancy JJ to smash Dillian H2H...

But yeah, Whyte defs deserves his shot.

 

How does Fury getting dropped highlight the fact that Wilder is one of the hardest punchers of all time when Fury's already been hurt by guys like Cunningham, Pajcek, McDermott, Wallin, Chisora and Firtha? That's an absolutely ridiculous statement to make, unless you're prepared to elevate all those other fighters' punching power as well. If so then the fact Chisora landed multiple bombs on Whyte's chin without dropping him must make Whyte an iron-chinned monster. Which makes Povetkin what, a Super Saiyan Earnie Shavers?

Wilder's got a ton of heart, I'll give him that, but he's got a shaky chin and been rocked and stiff-legged on more than one occasion. Fair play to him he always fights through it until he's literally out on his feet, but Fury isn't the only fighter that can take him to that point. And yes his right hand is dynamite, but put him in against someone like Usyk and see how high a chance he has of getting the stoppage there.

 

I'd say Usyk beating Joshua is quite a valid argument, don't you?

 

Whilst I do think Fury would win comfortably, you can’t sleep on someone like Dillian….he’s naturally much bigger than Wilder so he won’t be leant on like Wilder was…Fury would pick him apart slowly slowly but Whyte has shown multiple times he’s a capable challenger.

 

I sometimes wonder how many of Fury's earlier fights these people have watched when they make statements like that one. Fury was never known for having a great chin, and often got rocked by small or nondescript guys off average looking punches. It was his recuperation and the way he'd quickly turn those situations around that were impressive. When he got rocked by Firtha (not a huge puncher by any standards) he looked out on his feet then came firing back and stopped Firtha a few rounds later. Same with the McDermott fights.

I'll admit I was impressed by both of Wilder's wins over Ortiz, since I didn't expect him to get the first one and wasn't confident in him getting the second. And Ortiz himself I've hummed and hawed about for years, trying to gauge his actual quality. At one stage I rated him around Povetkin's level, but while Povetkin has frequently laid it on the line against the very best the division has had to offer over the years, Ortiz has been content to bottom feed. I'm now more inclined to rank him around Parker's level; still decent, but likely not as good as many people think, and probably someone who'll come unstuck the moment he moves above about mid-tier.

 

I've said it for a while, Fury's chin or "punch resistance is overrated in my eyes. It's his recovery abilities that are amazing. Maybe people also see that as a fighters "chin". If that's the case Fury has a iron one. But my definition has always been punch resistance. Fury has been hurt and/or dropped on several occasions, including by guys who aren't known for their power or agression at all. But he gets back up everytime which is highly impressive.

Ortiz looks impressive on the eye test i wont lie. It's a good win for Wilder, especially because Ortiz did beat Jennings although Wilder did struggle heavily. But i just think Povetkin at that stage 2018-2020 was still a better fighter than Ortiz. Ortiz could've been far better than Parker and even as good as that version of Povetkin tbh but he didn't really fight anyone besides Wilder himself and Jennings, and Christian Hammer i guess ? I wish he did and i hope he does. He was and possibly still is an interesting player

 

If Usyk catches one of those right hands of a heavyweight like Wilder - he would still be on the floor of the ring right now.

Sure you can make the argument that 'Usyk' does not catch one of them, but if he does it's lights out. People are really going overboard with Usyk - he's had 3 heavyweight fights. His win against AJ was fantastic, but lets face it he scraped a win against Chisora.

Usyk has a lot to prove (at heavyweight) before we go and start declaring him some sort of otherworldly heavyweight.

 

That's kind of an oxymoron there...... Fury's chin is good because he has incredible recovery ability and he's one of the only fighters who does not panic, once he has been knocked down.

His chin really isn't overrated either, go back and watch the last 2 fights with Wilder - the bloke eats quite a few heavy right hands and just keeps coming.

 

Fury beats that gangster bum by wide UD.

 

Not necessarily.
Wilder's power might be on the decline.
Wilder can still clearly pull the trigger, but if we count back:
The biggest puncher, boxing has ever seen, couldn't take out a hurt Fury in round 4, and took a lot of damage on route to being knocked out.
The fight before, couldn't drop Fury, and again took a lot of damage.
The fight before, drops an aged Ortiz, but Ortiz actually got back to his feet before the 10 count, but the referee waved it off (with the round ended and Ortiz 6-0 up on the cards)
The fight before pole axes Breazeale, but Breazeale actually tried to beat the count and the referee was like, stay the **** down hahaha.
That is potentially evidence of a decline. He isn't switching people's lights off like he once did.

And Usyk has a chin. No guarantee Wilder can keep him down.