Tyson Fury vs Larry Holmes

Holmes beats him nad gives him a lesson in both footwork and how to jab.

Remember when Steve Cunningham's entire game have Fury issues? Coz be was quicker and game? Yeah, Holmes one ups that, then one ups it again.

Holmes UD12/15

 

I'm picking prime Holmes. Would've been the best and most skilled opponent Fury has ever faced, and although Fury has the size advantages and such I think Holmes is more skilled and could get a decision. Especially if it's for 15 rounds. Holmes would hurt Fury, too.

Fury has a 4" reach advantage, which would make it harder for Holmes to use his jab, but it wouldn't nullify it completely.
Definitely a good matchup!

 

I can't see any argument for Fury winning this. Holmes is just a MUCH better fighter. In every way.

 

Are you serious???? I hope not

 

Holmes decision for me. He'd be stronger down the stretch.

 

Hard to tell because Fury's story is still being written, and he's at that stage of his career where one loss or one win could really have a big impact in how he's perceived and rated. In theory he should still have a couple of defining moments, be they good or bad, still to come. It's not like the situation with someone such as Pacquiao, about whom we already know everything we need to and where one more win or one more defeat at this stage isn't going to make much of a difference to his ratings now or against history.

Of course Holmes has earned the right to be favourite here and his achievements at the weight still far outstrip Fury's, but I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that Fury wins head-to-head, or that anyone who argues Fury's case should be chased out of town. Fury decisioned a guy in Wlad who, according to conventional wisdom, could only be outgunned rather than outboxed, and took apart the biggest puncher in the division. He's had some shaky moments, too (as did Holmes), but he's come through them.

You can make anything look like a mismatch if you take the absolute worst of one fighter (McDermott I or Cunningham for Fury) and put it against the absolute best of another (so something like Shavers I, Cooney or maybe even Mercer for Holmes). Holmes wasn't an enormous puncher and nor was he a defensive whizz, so he's going to have to box a very good fight indeed to be sure of winning against a guy five or six inches taller than him, 50 lb or more heavier and who has proved that he has good skills and a big heart on top of that.

Like I said, though, we'll know more with Fury after the next year or two.

 

Holmes.He is just better

 

I feel the same way, it is too early, we said the same things about Andy Ruiz beating Anthony Joshua, then came the rematch, way too early.

 

Larry is to small. Fury has seven inches and fifty pounds on him how’s the little fella gonna compete? JK Larry out works him and knocks him out late.

 

Interesting match up for sure and the makings of a very good fight. The physical differences between these two are obvious but that doesn't necessarily give Furey all the advantages some may think.
The key to this fight is who controls the range. If Furey keeps it long then he wins for sure and there's not much Holmes can do about it but if Larry can slip on ot the inside he can really work Furey.
We know from the wars against Norton, Shavers and Cooney that Holmes once he's in the pocket will punch and punch. It's usually the opponent who looks to break off the exchanges by sliding away or clinching. Furey, because of his enormous size, has never been one for prolonged exchanges. That would burn up tons of oxygen so he throws singles, doubles or brief combinations then holds, cops a breather and leans on.
I really think that the wiley, skilful and streetwise Holmes can just work Furey into exhaustion. I can imagine him sleepwalking through the last 3 or 4 rounds and losing the decision.
Incidentally, how come we have to justify ourselves to the OP ? I'm anxious to hear why he thinks Holmes hasn't got a prayer in this fight.

 

Fury puzzles the hell out of Larry the first seven rounds, lands a couple of flush but not especially powerful shots, does his weird jerky dance moves...and might even be leading by a couple of points. Larry, bewildered by the goofy style (he almost always needed a decent amount of time to figure weird fighters out), is more-often-than-not missing jabs and tying Fury up in frustration...the crowd starts getting impatient. Holmes finds the range for the jab in the eighth, and the overhand right begins finding the mark flush toward the end of the round. Fury is obviously getting confused in the 9th and starts rushing Holmes, which results in him eating a LOT of overhand rights. The 10th and 11th feature Fury looking more and more out of his league, a couple of the right hands stagger him momentarily. He's by now sucking down jabs consistently, and Holmes has that vicious look on his face he gets when he's really driving them in.

If the fight is a 12 rounder Fury is bumbling around like the big Jethro Bodean lookin' mutha****a he's always been in the 12th, obviously wishing the fight was over. He's landing some, but he just doesn't have the firepower to move Larry much, plus Holmes has totally timed him to the point where he's rolling with the best of the shots. If it goes past that Fury basically looks like a swoll up mess in the 13th and his corner tells him before the 14th he's going to have to triple up his shots and really chase down Larry or else they're throwing in the towel.

The ref stops the fight when, after landing the best overhand right of the night Larry pushes Fury into the corner and does his usual finishing job: an avalanche of rights with an occasional, ugly body shot. The ref stops it with Fury's eyes clouded and his legs gone.

Tyson Fury is 20 times the fighter Leroy Jones ever was, but the fight doesn't end dissimilarly to that one (as I mentioned, Fury would probably do pretty damn good in the first half of the fight...not sure bad Leroy even won a round lol).

 

Fury was better than anyone Holmes faced in his 49th fight - Fury had size- reach- weight- smarts- and Fury has heart and got off the floor to battle another thing Holmes did also

Fury beat 6'6 Wlad and 6'7 Wilder and I am not sure Holmes could beat any of them -

who would win Fury vs Cooney ? WILDER vs Shavers ? Holmes vs Wlad?

baring an injury - neither has dangerous power but enough to stop the other - could go the distance or a late round tko - I am leaning with Fury

 

I find it interesting you think Holmes might not have beaten over 40 Klitschko, plus a fighter who has trouble finishing people (Wilder). WIlder is a better fighter overall than Shavers, but not by a huge margin (he has a better chin, but that's not saying a whole lot). If Wilder knocks Holmes down, he'll just get back up. Wilder doesn't like that. And I don't see Wilder evading that jab too well...that means OUCH.

As far as old man Klitschko...I don't see anything in the Klitschko fight that indicates he'd do anything but probably get stopped late by Holmes (prime Klitschko would be one HELL of a lot more interesting). But I'd honestly appreciate being schooled on this matter.

No offense intended, and I respect your posts regularly.