Tyson Fury vs Larry Holmes?

No. I didn't watch Butterbean at a bar. The only fight I distinctly remember watching at a bar was Holmes-Norton. There must have been a dozen people who bet in the pool. I was the only person who picked Norton. Watched a ton of Ali fights live on television because for most of his career I was too young to go to bars.

 

I mean, in reality, Holmes is massively overrated. His acknowledged best win is a life and death against a nearly 35 year old Ken Norton, and he sure didn't look all that great against stellar guys like Snipes and Weaver.

Additionally, Fury could present him with a number of styles, including turning southpaw.

All of that notwithstanding, I tend to go with the proven great unless there is some kind of massive stylistic advantage, and though I think Holmes is on the lower end of great, Fury doesn't get there at all.

 

Not a fan of Fury and i'm a Holmes fan as you can see from my picture. But I think this would be a very competitive fight but I see Holmes being too skillful, too fast, overall.

Really it seems like Fury has more trouble against the smaller skillful Heavyweights Cunningham dropped Fury and was ahead on points, and now Usyk who is a similar size to Holmes hurt Fury and beat him fairly clearly in a competitive fight.

Overall a see Holmes winning a decision in a competitive fight but if the fight was 15 rounds I wouldn't rule out a late stoppage for Holmes.

 

I was going to make much the same point. He’s struggled with less.

 

Maybe.
But what is a "peak Fury"?
Not the half baked mammoth we saw last saturday, per sure.
What version of Fury could be considered peak?

 

Holmes UD.

 

Holmes wins but Fury (prime version) isn't giving anyone a easy night tbh.
Larry by decision but maybe the split version?

 

I’d say Fury was at his peak from around 2014-15, seems like he was at his physical peak. Though he’s still shown he was a force when he actually trained later on like against Wilder and Whyte. Even the Fury from Saturday likely presents problems for many great fighters.

That being said, I don’t think he was ever as fast or as athletic as he was around the time of the Wlad fight, or the fights leading up to it.

 

Thanks.

That is one of my issues regarding Fury. He is so inconsistent, chaotic and undisciplined. Between the food binges, the substance abuses and the mental meltdowns it is kinda hard to see when he was in peak condition if ever.

 

HOLMES BY DEC.

 

I know the point you're making Swag but Weaver for whatever reason seemed to peak in the Holmes fight, and then a short time after become the number 2 Heavyweight for a good 3 year period.

Holmes won every round vs Snipes outside of the knockdown and he cameback in the same round to batter Snipes in the 7th round.

I think Fury has shown alot more vulnerabilties than Holmes hes been down 8 times, struggled vs an MMA fighter and 3 non top 10 Heavyweights in Cunningham, Wallin, McDermott.

I would say regarding notable opposition Fury has only looked good vs Wilder 2, Whyte, in most of his other fights hes looked beatable to me.

Again I know the point you're making your trying to prove a point that Holmes wouldn't have an easy time vs Fury and I agree.

But Holmes was far more consistent than Fury and has beaten 5 times as many ranked opponents than Fury has.

If Fury would of been on Holmes's schedule fighting 15 ranked opponents over a 7 year period more than likely Fury would've had a few losses on his record nevermind the struggles.

To compare Holmes and Fury since Fury beat Wladimir in 2015 hes only fought 4 opponents ranked in the top 10, and he just lost to one of them in Usyk recently and also had a draw vs the limited Wilder.

 

Larry was an active champion. Fury wasn't.

 

Excellent post DP. Don't get me wrong. Holmes is a solid favorite for me, but he's not going through him as effortlessly as many want to envision.

 

Ossie Ocasio