Tyson Fury vs Marciano and Louis

Tyson Fury also dwarfs Ali and Foreman. Yet many people think they could beat him are these people also irrational fanboys

 

I can visualize the height difference between a 5'10 fighter and a 6'3 one without a skewed angle photo.

Chrisora is bigger than Frazier too. And he would fail to put up a better fight against Ali.
Size doesn't always make up for class.

 

1971 Ali was still a great, elite fighter.
He's more than an adequate example to use.

And the fact that he beat Frazier twice doesn't change the fact that he lost to him too.
If Frazier can nullify Alis outboxing skills with his swarming skills, I think its reasonable to theorize that Marciano could nullify Furys height and reach.

 

I think they both beat him,the difference is they are both nearly 5 inches taller than Marciano and between 27 and35 pounds heavier .
They both beat Rocky too, Ali by tko ,George by ko.imo

 

I've explained Ali's tactics in FOTC.personally I think with adequate preparation ,which he certainly did not have, he beats Frazier in their 1st fight too.As it was he put him in the hospital for 3 weeks! I totally disagree with your tenuous analogy,but that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

 

Foreman is giving away roughly 30 pounds and 5 inches in height and never faced a quality opponent of Tysons size. That seems like it could prove a big disadvantage for someone used to being the bigger stronger man. What exactly is he supposed to do to win this?

 

I remember that when Haye Fury appeared to be an imminent prospect, few people gave Fury much of a chance.

Now some people are seriously picking him over Louis!

I suspect that the reality is somewhere between how he was perceived then, and how he is perceived now!

 

QUOTE="reznick, post: 19346121, member: 54206"]I can visualize the height difference between a 5'10 fighter and a 6'3 one without a skewed angle photo.

Chrisora is bigger than Frazier too. And he would fail to put up a better fight against Ali.
Size doesn't always make up for class.[/QUOTE]
Where do you get this skewed angle photo idea from? Please indicate it here.

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ps Given enough size it will always beat class. Randy Cobb would beat up and destroy Ike Wiliams. Nicolai Valuev would beat Floyd Mayweather Jnr.Jess Willard would kill Jimmy Wilde.
There comes a point when size DOES make the difference.

 

I'm not picking him over Louis.Marciano yes!

 

As opposed to Rocky who is giving away 11 inches in height and 62pounds in weight!

 

I got to get some tape of this Marciano fellow. He sounds unbeatable!

 

Totally legit takes. Who knows?

The real problem ascertaining Fury is that we have so little to judge him on and, I hate to break the news, he is done. Toast. So, we have that high-water mark of the Wlad fight and some moments from others. In no way or manner does he rank with Marciano in terms of legacy or "greatness" but you can't really carry those labels into the ring...

 

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ps Given enough size it will always beat class. Randy Cobb would beat up and destroy Ike Wiliams. Nicolai Valuev would beat Floyd Mayweather Jnr.Jess Willard would kill Jimmy Wilde.
There comes a point when size DOES make the difference.[/QUOTE]

It's just not a flattering photo for Rocky.
It could be a multitude of factors. As we all know certain conditions in a singular photo like positioning, lighting, etc can skew perception. Here it looks like Ali is a SHW compared to Rocky. Maybe he's on his tippy toes.

A much better example of what the height comparison would look like is footage of his fight with Bonavena, who was the same exact height as Rocky:

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5"10 vs. 6"3 is simply not tiny vs. giant.
We've seen enough examples historically and modern to know in our minds, what that matchup looks like. Never mind the endless fight reels we can refer to on an instant, rather than a singular photo.

"There comes a point when size DOES make the difference."

Correct, which I implied when I said:
"Size doesn't always make up for class."

 

And we shouldn't carry them into the ring. Less we're referencing why those labels were earned.

I don't know if Fury is done. You could be right. But he looks to me like a fighter who can hang some more years due to his size, strength, character, and boxing ability. He is certainly up against a lot in the Joshua and Wilder fights.

I do agree that we will never see the Dusseldorf version again. He was in legendary form that night.

 

This. I'm a huge Frazier fan, but Marciano was twice the fighter Frazier ever was. After the first Ali fight Frazier let his conditioning go. Often coming in well over 210 lbs, which is no good for a guy that relies on being quick and landing his left hook in time before he can be countered himself. Bonavena despite being a poor man's Marciano gave Frazier everything he could handle and also gave Ali a tough fight, but even his trainer Goldman said that Bonavena was lazy and wasn't willing to put in the work to become as good as Marciano.

Marciano would cause Fury a lot of problems. I could see Fury struggling a lot with Marciano, since Marciano fought out of a crouch. Byrd gave Vitali a ton of trouble by fighting out of a crouch to the point that Vitali punched himself out and quit. Also, Marciano won't gas out like Chisora or get bullied like Cunningham. Marciano also had impeccable defense once he found his range, which he always did.

Joe Louis would be a nightmare for Fury. Louis excelled against guys like Fury and beat several guys Fury's size. Fury has a good check hook and when he's in top shape is mobile for his size, but he's vulnerable to overhand rights. Louis also was a master a fighting on the inside and has a great left uppercut for setting up the giant for his straight right or a fight ending combo.