Tyson Fury vs Muhammad Ali

Did you see Wallin's last fight?
He certainly didn't look like a world beater.

Fury is talented for a huge guy but if he was shrunk to Usyk's size he would look very average.

And as for today's heavyweights being the most talented ever.....lol

 

You say this about any contemporary HW, don't you think that you overstate their abilities a little bit?

 

I pick both the 60s Ali and early 70s Ali to beat Tyson Fury, despite his size.

 

reznick posted this on March 27 2021 but that is okay, it has been a while buddy.

 

I would think it would be very difficult to fight Fury even for Ali. He would get tagged coming in whether it is from the outside or the inside. People think the guy is some magical ninja - he's not. Fury would anticipate any attacks and neutralize them. Ali would probably score a few times, but not often enough to win the fight.

 

Bonavena and Mac where 204 and 211.75, so heavyweights. If you go by "weight drain rules" then prime Ali is a cruiserweight too, thus no imbalance.

I don't know what you mean by this.

That's not really true, and requires ingnoreing how well he used his hook.

Like Norton, Frazier countered Ali's style perfectly, and still won the series 2-1. Also Joe Frazier chases everyone down.

Ali wasn't prime for any of those bouts and the 2nd at least was rather close and suggests he would've beaten Norton in his prime.

 

Hey I remember the children's morning puppet show, Davey And Goliath, Gee Davey ! Ha Ha.

 

Well it's not exactly true that Ali had Parkinson's when he ruled the division. We don't know exactly when he got it, but it seems to have started near the end of his reign, after he'd done most of his work.

Frazier was also never half blind. He lost most of his vision in one eye when cataracts developed in his scar tissue (stemming back to a freak injury ten years prior) in 1974 AFTER having last defended his title three years prior and would go on to have two more fights in the 70. I’d hardly say he ruled the division at this point.

 

So, we’re plucking some fights from second career Ali to suggest they were the best Ali, including second career Ali’s second fight after a 3.5 year exile as an ideal example of best Ali for one to hang their hat on?

We also have the view of Ali as the Goliath who mainly prevailed over Davids. BUT, when Ali meets the ridiculously and demonstrably strong Foreman bigger than Ali and in fact much stronger in terms of brute strength - the Goliath in a match very few gave Ali a chance, even though Ali sees him off in 8 rounds, that is somehow a further argument “against” Ali?

Ali can’t take a trick, can he?

Forget circular reasoning - I see no actual reasoning being properly applied in the treatments above - but I do see notable inconsistencies.

 

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