Tyson Fury vs Muhammad Ali

I think Ali would slice fury up, landing a lot of punches then moving. I don't think Fury would effectively roughhouse Ali either. Ali would probably peg Fury in the face with a lot of 1-2s and float on out of there. Wallin is a bit taller than Ali but with less reach and other intangibles. If he can find Fury, Ali will find Fury a lot. Wallin was not much heavier than Ali, either and yet Fury didn't bulldoze him. I think Fury has had some great performances among a middle-of-the-road era for heavyweights, but hasn't done enough to convince me that he's going to beat Ali in a hypothetical fight.

 

Wallin is 6-6, 235-240ish, his reach is listed on Box Rec as 78", same as Ali's, but at his height it's probably longer. Also Wallin is a southpaw. Ali was 6-3, 210ish in the 60s, not exactly close to Wallin in size, Wallin is a southpaw, almost nothing about Wallin and Ali was similar. And, remember that 60s Ali had arguably his toughest fight with a 195 pound southpaw, Karl Mildenberger.

Fury didn't "bulldoze" a 6-6, 236 pound, undefeated southpaw? How many heavyweights in history fought a good southpaw and especially one even close to Wallin's size? Beating Wallin should be thought of as an impressive win for Fury. 1960s Ali struggled with a much smaller southpaw.

 

1. INTERIOR MGM GRAND - CHALLENGER OTTO WALLIN BEING INTRODUCED AND WALKING ON STAGE (FIGHT WEEK WORKOUTS AND NEWS CONFERENCES TOOK PLACE AT MGM GRAND WHILE FIGHT WILL TAKE PLACE AT T-MOBILE ARENA)

2. WALLIN GETTING ON SCALE AND WEIGHING IN AT 227 POUNDS (103 KILOGRAMS)

3. CHAMP TYSON FURY BEING INTRODUCED AND WALKING ON STAGE WEARING LUCHA LIBRE (MEXICAN WRESTLING) MASK

4. FURY ON SCALE WEIGHING IN AT 254 1/4 POUNDS (115.3 KGS)

Wallin 6'5.5" 227 lbs 78" reach
Also Ali's reach (not from Boxrec) is commonly accepted at 80" but has been listed as high as 84"

 

Bang on.

Ali only got hit by Foster when he was literally not even trying to avoid the punches. Sort of in the same ballpark, see Ray Leonard showing absolute disdain for Ayub Kalule’s power - punches I believe Ray could’ve avoided IF they were of any true concern to him.

No, I don’t rate Usyk as comparable to Ali - but let’s see him face Fury to give an idea of how Tyson actually deals with a mobile, fast, busy and an intelligent fighter.

Based on what I’ve read recently - why the hell is Fury going to fight Joshua (after back to back losses to Usyk), Fury forcing Joshua’s hand to fight in December, just 4 months after the second loss to Usyk?

Usyk is the man to fight and a date in Feb 2023 (as I believe Usyk suggested) is more than fair. Imo, it is Fury who should put up or shut up re Usyk.

It will serve Fury right if AJ pulls an upset himself - stranger things have happened - especially when a fighter (Fury) thinks he’s taking on a soft touch (damaged goods).

 

Are you saying he should never get hit at all? Even Maidana landed scoring punches against Mayweather. We agree that Mac wasnt hitting him "at will"?

Every fighter benefits from the flaws of the other...that's how fighting works? And as you were already told Frazier, Ali fight or no, Still has a great resume. I'm sure some people might overrate Norton from time to time but there is no propaganda in Norton's fights with Ali or the FOTC especially.

You mean the same fighter Ali TKOd in 12 rounds? And go beat by fighters Ali beat?

 

"Bonavena was ahead on points". "Unbiased".

Coming from the same person. Rich.

 

Who says you're not?

Saying MacFoster was hitting Ali at will is about as bad.

 

Frazier's legend is built from the ashes of propaganda? He had stopped Chuvalo, Quarry and Ellis before even facing Ali. To belittle him as well just to pull Ali down is way below the average standard of this board. And it has nothing to do with reality.

 

You seem to think that you have understood something others haven't. But had you bothered to read what posters on this forum is actually saying, then you would know that nobody here considers Ali a "defensive wizard" in terms of a technical defence.

In his prime he was hard to hit on basis of his tremendous speed and reflexes, but as he gradually slowed he became much easier to hit since he didn't have great fundamentals to fall back on (even though I personally would say that he was more fundamentally disciplined in some of his later fights).

I don't think anyone on this board wouldn't agree with this. You often see posters saying that he didn't defend well enough against Frazier's left hook and no one is disagreeing with that. But they can at the same time still recognise that Frazier was very effective in landing that left hook against everyone he met, bar Foreman (who smashed him before he really had an opportunity to).

If you think you're going to educate someone that Ali wasn't a technical master and that there are many more technical fighters, especially in the lower divisions, then you're in the wrong place. That is news to no one here.