Tyson Fury won't fight in December against Usyk

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  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Usyk already have a fight in place, it's going to be announce next week.

    Come back to comment on your hero next fight though, as he is going to do some b.c. hybrid stuff. How you going to excuse that, though ?
     
  2. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    We talked this yesterday. They could have simply force Wilder - Ruiz, and if they refused, simply remove them from the rankings, it's that easy. Then no one would ever done this again. Same thing with the supposed split.

    Then they can simply order a fight to determine the mandatory. Plenty of good fighters currently.
    But we all know for what WBC stands for. And that they are getting paid from Fury team, and won't strip him, no matter what.

    But doing this circus shows, because fighting an MMA guy is exactly that is literally ruining boxing and it's turning it clown fiesta.
    This guy is literally ruining Boxing for good.
    Don't see how someone can take him seriously, or WBC belt.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I much prefer Usyk to Fury, but typically of GF HW chat it's "your hero" and all that garbage there.
     
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  4. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    I don’t understand this rhetoric, frankly. It’s so wrong on so many levels.

    First of all, Usyk already has a fight date, an opponent, and a venue. We know exactly what he is up to, what he will do next. No “massive announcements” that result in nothing, no funny business about challenging MMA fighters.

    Second of all, if you followed the news, you are perfectly aware that Fury wasted around a whole year of Usyk’s career since Usyk first beat Joshua. Since the WBC is corrupt as hell, they allow Fury to be inactive, to “retire” while holding on to the belt etc. Usyk was desperate to make the undisputed fight - twice. That’s the whole reason he stepped up to HW. It’s always been his goal. He tried to make the undisputed fight straight after the first Joshua fight. Fury pulled out, demanding a tune up against Whyte. But it was after months and months of negotiations. That’s why the Usyk-Joshua rematch happened a month later. Originally, it should have happened in July 2022. Fury has been leading everyone down the garden path with the barren undisputed negotiations for months - twice in the past one and a half years or so.

    Third of all, please don’t tell me you count the Chisora sparring session as a legit fight by pointing to it how it was more recent than Usyk’s title defence against Joshua. Fury is been basically inactive since last April - and even then he fought a shell-of-his-former-self, punch-resistance-diminished, possibly-neurologically-damaged-by-Povetkin Whyte. The Chisora bout was an outrage, it was so absurd and ridiculous that even Fury fans couldn’t believe it at first when it was announced. Fury didn’t even train for it properly (Andy Lee talked about this), it was such a non-event.

    You say you are not a Fury fan. It makes it really baffling then why you would push this Fury fan narrative about Usyk being the inactive one - when it’s Fury who messes around with fight negotiations for months without anything to show for it, who retires while holding his belt hostage, who “defends” his title against 40-year-old, 12-losses has beens (name me any other HW champion ever who voluntarily defended their belt against someone with 12 losses) etc.

    You always know what Usyk is doing, you do know how the last eighteen months of his career was affected by fighting for his country and being messed about by Fury. On the other hand, even Arum and Warren don’t know most of the time what Fury is up to - they’re words, not mine. Yet, Usyk is the inactive one? Ridiculous, especially if you claim that you don’t even like Fury.
     
  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah it's crystal clear who you prefer from the very beginning. I have seen plenty of your posts, always trying to find an excuse for Fury.

    Also anyone knows why Usyk is so inactive during his HW reign.

    But i will answer you, injuries first, COVD later, and then obviously the War.

    But there is one more reason and that's Fury.

    Usyk would have already fought, as he wanted the fight early in the year with Fury.
    It was Fury losing Usyk pretty much the whole year.
    Yeah same Fury who lost Klitschko a year of his career, while ducking him.
    Same Fury that's also in a couple of occasion waste plenty of AJ carrer/time.

    And then don't wonder why noone wants to deal with this fraud.
     
  6. McGrain

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    Nah, that's made up dirt i'm afraid.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It's not rhetoric, it's just what I think.

    1) Usyk needs a fight.

    2) Fury has come in for a load of criticism which is probably justified.

    Yeah, I hope so. It's not yet listed on Boxrec, IBF or WBA websites. And I can't find anywhere to buy tickets. I don't think that fight is final, and i'd be very disturbed for Usyk if it didn't come off. That Usyk mental case that is also quoting me in this thread seems to think it will be announced this week, which would be a good start.
     
  8. spravedlivylev

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    It’s a strange thing they do in Poland. When Babic fought Rozanski there, that fight also wasn’t announced officially until what, two weeks before the actual fight? I’m not sure why this is but it’s like that in Poland. In any case, I don’t know about any announcements being made next week, and I don’t want to make guesses about it either.

    But even without this announcement or fighting Dubois for that matter, it’s not even close between Usyk and Fury who wants the undisputed more, who is more transparent about their plans etc. That’s why it annoys me when people talk about Usyk’s inactivity - he was hell-bent in making the undisputed fight, making concessions after concessions in order to amaze the fight. Everyone who followed the news is aware how Usyk was denied to fight and how as a result it’s unfounded to say he is inactive. I really only heard this “argument” from provocative Fury fans. I appreciate you are not one of them - that’s why it makes it even more baffling why you would argue this issue.
     
  9. Lesion of Doom

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    I'd rather Usyk *not* take that fight and instead go straight to Wilder in September. I hate that these guys have put all their eggs in the Saudi basket for the end of the year; it has killed the division this year. And with Fury, you never know if he's serious about anything. Usyk's 2023 could be Dubois and that's it - terrible for an aging fighter who actually could make a lot of money against the right opponent.
     
  10. McGrain

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    It "annoys" you when people talk about an inactive figher being inactive?

    This is a political perspective and probably has something to do with Usyk/Fury comparisons and rivals. For those of us that just like fights and fighters, an important or a favourite fighter being inactive is a very obvious subject for discussion.

    Discussing it on the forum is on no way unreasonable, regardless of the related politics. This is because inactivity can make fighters worse.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    I just want him to get out. I think a year is too much at his time of life. I hope he doesn't do any weight experiments in the Dubois fight (if it happens).
     
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  12. spravedlivylev

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    Let me rephrase it: between Usyk’s well documented patriotism/activities in Ukraine due to the situation there and his well-documented attempts and efforts to make the Fury fight happen, it annoys me when he is accused of inactivity.

    It’s absolutely not his doing he hasn’t been able to fought more since 2021 or that his last fight was in last August.

    It’s all the more annoying since Usyk has already talked about not wanting to fight for long because he doesn’t want to miss out on more of spending time with his family. Fighting to become undisputed in the heavies is the only thing that keeps him around. Knowing this, do you think he wants to be inactive? So it’s fine to discuss why he isn’t able to fight more. But it’s annoying when it’s suggested how inactive he is - when it’s very clear how and what he has been trying to do to achieve fighting Fury.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    You can't be "Accused" of inactivity. You are either an active fighter or you are not. Usyk is inactive. He doesn't fight much. It would be better for him, for us, and ofr the heavyweight division, if he fought more. Yes, there are reasons. But it's still true that he IS inactive.
     
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  14. Lesion of Doom

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    The point is that Usyk should not be chasing Fury. It's on him at this point for being inactive and/or taking **** fights. He tried to get the undisputed and Fury did not cooperate, so Usyk should cash in on his current stature and get paid. If undisputed is all he cares about, then just retire.
     
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  15. miniq

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    The entire HW division is chasing Saudi money

    But Fury is the only one who gets stick

    Funny ain't it

    When Fury secures £1b. Whether that's December. January 2024 or even February I want a formal apology.

    Saudi were clear early this year that they wouldn't host anything till December AT THE EARLIEST.
     
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