Tyson Fury won't fight in December against Usyk

How many of the guys apart from Usyk had fights collapse due to reasons out of their control in the past year?

You are so weird with your arguments. So, someone who gets a parking ticket and someone who murders their neighbours should be put in the same bracket: criminals. Same sentence, same cell in prison, no context or examining the circumstances necessary. They both broke the law so that's all there is to it - criminals, end of.

Your stubborn refusal to look at a fighter's inactivity on a case-by-case basis suggests you want to paint all of them with the same brush. If you don't think there should be a discussion about whether the inactivity of a fighter is by choice or by circumstances out of their control, I don't know what to tell you really. For instance, Dubois hasn't fought since December but it would be lazy to just brand him inactive.

 

Do you remember me asking how a quick promotion generates record PPV and your response? Yet here we are months down the line.

"I'm not sure how a quick promotion generates record breaking PPV numbers?"

"Because social media is the driver. It isn't about months and months of simmering time"

 

And Fury with his "I didn't even train for him" Chisora sparring is active. He was out in December, so it's all good. That eliminates rust. Okay.

As for the highlighted bit: I agree - your logic of not looking at the context and just concluding "the fact that he is inactive" is weird ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's nice to see that at least you recognise the fallacy in your logic when presented with an example

 

Man this Fury guy sucks ass.

 

Well when Fury Usyk make a deal in July 2028 and the fight takes 3 weeks later then was I wrong?

Promotions normally happen over a training camp period...8 weeks but do they need that time to promote? NO. Fans might need it to book hotels though.

 

No, that's not what I meant. What I meant was: if a fight is so easy that you don't even have to train for it, it does next to nothing against ring rust. The last time Fury actually prepared for a proper fight was last spring. Since then, he "retired", he had a sparring session for which he admittedly didn't even train for and also admittedly, has been binge eating and drinking. So if we are talking about who between Usyk and Fury is more in fighting shape (both mentally and physically), I don't think it's the guy who said he hadn't seen the Zhang-Joyce bout because he had been out in his local pub, drinking 16 pints.

 

I have no issue with that. As I mentioned several times, I started this debate only because I don't like the "Usyk is inactive" statement like that on its own without context, as it suggests things (Usyk is more inactive than others, he chose to be inactive, hence he needs to be specifically singled out for these things) that are not true. The devil is in the detail and all that.

 

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There you go ladies!!!!

 

Let’s take Usyk’s activity for the years he is a heavyweight. It will make it fairer also to look at a longer period, not the last 12 months or something like that. So his fights are:

1. October 2019 (one year after his last cruiser)
2. End of October 2020
3. September 2021
4. August 2022

Conclusion: one title defence in 23 months. His second is on the 24th. Keep in mind his fanbase and apologists are constantly claiming how experienced and superior he is to others, yet he needed one year to prepare for a bum like Chazz and another one for a faded B-class fighter like Chisora.


Fury:

1. June 2019
2. September 2019
3. February 2020
4. October 2021
5. April 2022
6. December 2022

AJ:

1. June 2019
2. December 2019
3. December 2020
4. September 2021
5. August 2022
6. April 2023

Ruiz:

1. April 2019
2. June 2019
3. December 2019
4. May 2021
5. April 2022

Whyte:

1. July 2019
2. December 2019
3. August 2020
4. March 2021
5. April 2022
6. November 2022

Dubois:

1. March 2019
2. April 2019
3. July 2019
4. September 2019
5. December 2019
6. November 2020
7. June 2021
8. August 2021
9. June 2022
10. December 2022

Wilder:

1. May 2019
2. November 2019
3. February 2020
4. October 2021
5. October 2022

Parker:

1. June 2019
2. February 2020
3. February 2021
4. May 2021
5. December 2021
6. September 2022
7. January 2023
8. May 2023

Joyce:

1. February 2019
2. May 2019
3. July 2019
4. July 2020
5. November 2020
6. July 2021
7. July 2022
8. September 2022
9. April 2023

Hrgovic:

1. May 2019
2. August 2019
3. December 2019
4. September 2020
5. November 2020
6. September 2021
7. December 2021
8. August 2022

Zhang:

1. November 2019
2. November 2020
3. February 2021
4. November 2021
5. May 2022
6. August 2022
7. April 2023

Sanchez:

1. January 2019
2. July 2019
3. August 2019
4. October 2019
5. March 2020
6. November 2020
7. December 2020
8. May 2021
9. October 2021
10. January 2022
11. October 20222
12. April 2023

Bakole:

1. April 2019
2. August 2019
3. October 2019
4. November 2019
5. December 2020
6. September 2021
7. May 2022
8. April 2023

(old) Ortiz:

1. March 2019
2. November 2019
3. November 2020
4. January 2022
5. September 2022

Tell me how active Usyk is and how it is all Fury's fault and the war, especially before February 2022.

I am not counting Chisora here, but he has 8 fights. The conclusion is every top fighter had more or twice (Sanchez even 3 times) more fights than Usyk. Many had even better opposition.

 

What is the saying, "there are lies, damn lies, and statistics"

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Unfortunately, Usyk's career intersected with Joshua who is deliberately inactive.

2023 Fury messes up negotiations, but Usyk moves onto Dubois negotiations straight away (fight is set as August 26th: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/b...l-Dubois-vs-Tyson-Fury-Joe-Joyce-rematch.html).
2022 Timing of rematch is set by Joshua
2021 He is getting messed about again by Joshua and the WBO with his mandatory fight pushed back again and again.
2020 He fought Chisora post COVID lock downs
2019 He fought Witherspoon after being out with injury.
2018 He fought 3 times

Oh and there was the Ukraine war...


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The above is a copy paste with the edition of the Dubios fight date.

Great video that, but laughing at Warren's and Fury's spin is low hanging fruit at this point.