Tyson Furys Career: In Depth Breakdown

Still arguably better than Lewis or Holyfield in terms of meeting dangerous opponents.

We have no way of knowing who the number 1 contender is to begin with due to fighters not facing each other making that a silly argument.

Ibeabuchi never held a belt but that doesn't make him less dangerous than belt holders like Page or Coetzee. Kabayel is better than Page obviously.

 

Very good, not great (AJ's is better though).

 

Fury had quite extreme highs and lows. The Wlad win was impressive (not as a spectacle) even if Klitschko was getting older. And the Wilder win and draw were good too, particularly after his layoff (Wilder being limited but somewhat dangerous).
My issue with Fury has always been his ability to talk big, but his apparent unwillingness to back it up, in an ATG sense. You can make whatever argument you like as to why fights didn't happen. But his resume is pretty thin. I don't recall ever seeing a fighter so highly rated, historically (in approx 2022), having achieved so little (compared to ATGs). He seemed happy to take on Wallin, Chisora 3, Ngannou etc instead of any other highly rated contender. So his actions outside the ring ultimately hurt his legacy inside it. Fury was quite happy NOT to face Usyk, remember, until public opinion turned and Saudi money talked (he was, at this point, according to him and his supporters 'the best of his generation, and of all time'...). So I don't rate him particularly as an ATG HW. Very good and talented, but a fighter who was ultimately capable of more. And it's his own fault he isn't rated more highly.

 

He lost the first fight. Second fight he edged by two or three rounds. But Usyk is the judges golden child.

 

I’m not suggesting it’s an abnormality that people behave this way, I am just pointing out anybody who understands the sport will realise Fury for better in the Usyk fights not worse. So it doesn’t make sense to lower his all time rating.

 

Guy's a 'See You Next Tuesday', c'mon, he's a PED cheat. I'll give him the same treatment as all other PED cheats... Disregard to his achievements. If you're caught peding then that's it for me, you're no longer a sportsman + your accomplishments are fake. Resume dead for any ATG talk lol.

Also, when we talk about resumes, when you look at actual employee resumes, you look at the context, dig deep, and the lengths matter. I wouldn't look at a candidate's 1 job history and say despite all your other jobs as a taxi driver and your 1 job as a CEO (you made millions as CEO but brought the company to its knees and had to resign because of fraud!) and be filled with utter confidence. I'd say this guy caught lightening in a bottle, he's clearly skilled but he's an inherent risk, a (highly probable) weak link if you will.

Thinking about it, the guy's pathetic to use the mental health card the way he did to weasel his way back into public acceptance. I remember watching his Rogan podcast and it was just a 90 mins monologue of unadulterated victim bull**** for propaganda.

What a melt. Dishonours the sport in comparison to Uysk, GGG, Loma, and the other older legends.

 

Lol, sure.Haters gonna hate.

 

The point I was making is that he was overrated before those Usyk fights, in part because he was unbeaten - losing the 0 takes away some of that excess hype and makes the general analysis a bit more realistic.

In truth, also, the ridiculous hype narrative around Wilder started collapsing fast around the same time which also hit his standing a bit.

I don't actually disagree in the sense that those Usyk fights were among his 3 best performances (the other being the effective performance stinking out Wlad)... And with how good Usyk is being a part of why that's the case.

I think he's probably still overrated a bit - he was very good at his absolute best, but that was a rarity...

 

Oh cmon, he lost both fights clearly.

He was competitive at times, but he was dominated in ring IQ, stamina, pace, footwork and punch selection... And power, arguably, since he was the only one close to getting knocked out in either fight.

He lost both clearly - there's no controversy, if anything the cards were generous to Fury in both fights.

 

He hasn't got much of a resume.
At his best, (we can speculate),he had the tools to give anyone a serious fight. He was an interesting boxer, clever, big, awkward.
But he also had some shockers, like Wallin, and of course, Ngannou.

Resume?
No, not really. He had a weak record going into the Klitschko fight.
Then 1 win against a 39-year-old, and winning a trilogy with Wilder, a hard-punching 'can crusher'. Chisora was basic. Whyte was also basic, and was already in decline.
It's a basic resume.

 

Great win over Wlad. Beat Chisora and Whyte with impressive ease. Became the only one to demolish a prime Wilder (Wilder didn't face many good chellengers, though). Showed a lot of grit against Wilder, Wallin and Usyk.

Those are the good things to say about him, but everything you say is also correct.

It can be added that he refused to pay AJ step aside money in order to face Usyk already in 2022 (and as you say tried to look like he wanted a deal a year later, even lied about being in camp, but actively sabotaged it).

In summary I have big respect for what he did when he got in the ring, but not for his conduct outside of it.

As for his resume, I don't know if it's great but it's better than average, so didn't see an option that fit. Not a top 10 resume, but perhaps top 20. Probably beats Vitaly's for example.

 

He's a liar and a gaslighter. He lies every time he opens his mouth. He contradicts himself constantly. He's not a bad guy, but not good either. He ducked everyone except Wilder and Whyte when he came back in 2018 and he stopped ducking Usyk only after a big paycheck from Saudi. He also ducked the Wlad rematch.

Yeah, AJ played "A-side diva games" during Fury's comeback offering him 60/40 split, the exact same one Fury offered AJ in 2022 after he lost to Usyk. So, was Fury playing "A-side diva games" as well? Looking at the fact that he sabotaged negotations to fight Chisora for the third time, probably. They did sign to fight in 2021 tho, but Wilder won the arbitration.

 

The thing is, nobody urged Holmes to unify when Weaver was the WBA title holder. Holmes beat him, so people knew who was better and that Holmes was THE champ. Nobody wanted to see the rematch. It was like Usyk vs Dubois II. Facing Cooney in 1982, he basically took the best available option except Weaver, whom he already beat. Cooney was the real number 1 contender at this stage. Holmes also signed to unify with Coetzee in 1984, but the financing fell through.

 

Please. The only things Fury was really good at were 1) talking trash and 2) pulling out of fights. He pulled out of fight after fight, again and again, he pulled out of one fight after the weigh-in! I honestly think he hates boxing fans, and hates the sport itself, and likes to build people's hopes up by talking trash about big fights people really want to see--like his re-match with Klitschko-- only to pull out at the last minute and walk away laughing. He would love to destroy what is left of AJ's career, by setting up a fight with him, promoting it endlessly, and then pulling out late next year, by which point AJ would be 37 years old and pretty much finished. Watch it play out that way. . .

 

That is true, but he had about 5 years in the late 70's early 80's where he beat those who mattered the most. Norton, Shavers, Weaver, Snipes, Berbick and Cooney being his main wins. Not a clean out, but enough for him to clearly be the top dog. A rematch against Weaver for both belts was what was missing, but that he already beat Weaver takes the sting out of that one at least a bit.

After '82 things got worse, though.