Tyson Fury's desperate attempt to fight Chisora again is cowardly

You claim that Fury has a "thin resume" so let's compare HW's records post-2004 as people have more trouble with objectivity going back further than that. How many have better records than the obviously not retired Fury?

Not Povetkin, not AJ, not Wilder, not Vitali, not Usyk, Wlad?

Wlad never had a win as good as either of Fury's top 2 wins (Wlad, Wilder 2). Wlad also had 5 losses (3 to ridiculous underdogs) and lost in a one-sided fight by wide margins at home as the A-side to Fury in his world title debut, in a fight where Wlad was nullified more than any heavyweight champ over 12 rounds in history. Fury by contrast is undefeated in 33 fights, despite fighting long-reigning 6'5+ KO artists Wlad and Wilder x3, all as the B-side, away from home. The case for Wlad over Fury is one of longevity in dominating a consistent string of Wach's, Brock's, Sultan's, Thompson's and Leapai's. Of course, this says little about your ability to win well above that level, which is why Bowe got more credit for going 2-1 with former 190 pounder Holyfield than he did for all of his other wins combined.

It's not fair to compare Fury's wins with those of previous eras because there were no 6'5 SHW master boxer KO artists in the 70's, no 6'7 one-shot beam you across the ring snipers and not even any championship level southpaws. Assessments are most relevant when comparing boxers who are close in time and in that regard, Fury's HW record is objectively very strong already.

 

Well it all depends on how highly you rate Wilder, most people considered him a bum killer with a very padded record before the Fury fight. After the 3rd fight people have respected him more for the heart he showed, and granted he does have a dynamite right hand. But he also has very limited skills and his best win is vs grandpa Luis Ortiz. So it's either we underrated Wilder somewhat or Fury is a tad overrated.

And people often compare Fury's resume to other Heavyweight's of the past, claiming he's the Heavyweight "GOAT". So of course i'm going to compare him to Heavyweight's of the past, but if you don't want to do that. Let's just compare his record with Lennox Lewis then who is closer to Fury regarding eras.

Lennox Lewis best wins

David Tua
Razor Ruddock
Evander Holyfield
Andrew Golota
Vitali Klitschko
Michael Grant
Mike Tyson Old
Francois Botha
Ray Mercer
Tommy Morrison
Frank Bruno
Tony Tucker Old
Gary Mason
Shannon Briggs

Tyson Fury's best wins

Deontay Wilder x2
Dillian Whyte
Wladimir Klitschko Old
Steve Cunningham
Dereck Chisora x2

Don't really hold up does it ? nothing against Fury i just think he needs to do a bit more proving. Fighting the winner of Usyk/Joshua will go a long way to proving that.

 

yes Fury is only trolling.
this is clear

 

Chisora got terrible beatings from Parker in 2nd fight
no one can justify it if he fights Fury
is a disgrace dangerous mismatch. is a brain damage event
or Fury will take it easy on him. a fake fight.
so not worthy to justify

 

Indeed.

To clarify, my prior comment in this thread is not directed at those (like yourself) who are benignly taking the Chisora rumblings at face value and speculating for the sake of speculation itself.

 

Nice try.

 

Hahahaha.

Wilder is a joke. Who has he beat? He's a manufactured hype job.

 

/thread.

 

Actually, nobody should bother wether Fury has retired or is fighting Chisora. As long as he doesn't fight Joshua/Usyk, we lose nothing from Fury fighting Chisora.

People are gonna watch that fight even if it's not a big deal and the winner is clear.

 

"most people considered him a bum killer with a very padded record"

You could just as be talking about any number of heavyweight champions who were more appreciated after they were gone. One of the reasons why Wilder was underrated was because unlike several prominent champions since the 90's, Wilder didn't get KO'd by any of his "bums". Ruiz for example is only thought of as a dangerman because he destroyed AJ, thus raising the perceived level of AJ's opposition. But had Ruiz been a Wilder victim, he would have just been another "bum" on Wilder's padded record.

"But he (Wilder) also has very limited skills"

No one other than Fury ever even came close to winning a decision against Wilder, Wilder didn't tend to get hit that much and barring Fury (who he dropped 4 times in 3 fights) he's knocked out everyone he fought. Most would probably say that Jennings was more skilled than Wilder and although he's more conventional and won rounds in more dominant fashion against Szpilka, he also took a lot more hard shots and threw a lot more punches, which risks injury. Against Ortiz, Jennings took many more power punches over a shorter period of time than Wilder did, was outboxed and KO'd in 7, whereas Wilder beat Ortiz. Wilder's defensive stats against Arreola and Fury 1 also compare favourably to Vitali's and Wlad's. This isn't to say that he's more skilled than the Klitschkos but people were definitely missing something. Wilder's not a conventional fighter and can't always be judged by the same standards.

"his best win is vs grandpa Luis Ortiz"

Regardless of his age (and Ortiz is fighting next month against Ruiz, 4.5 years post-Wilder 1) Ortiz was a 30 fight never knocked down and undefeated, highly skilled, vastly experienced, 240 lbs southpaw power puncher. That's not a combination of attributes that existed in a fighter prior to Ortiz. Who was Tyson's best win? Who was Vitali's? Wilder doesn't compare badly at all in this respect. Holyfield was the first heavyweight to take on several good southpaws and he went 1-3 against them, they weren't even natural HW's either. Wlad and Vitali beat the most good southpaws ever and had the most southpaw experience but both lost to southpaws as well.

"Lennox Lewis best wins..."

I said post-2004 for this very reason: people tend to lose objectivity when going back before this time. When I look at Lewis's list I see Vitali and Holyfield as by far his best wins and then the 90's version of the Klitschko era. Then there's the fact that he got one-punched by 2nd tier guys twice, along with a conspicuous lack of any southpaws or KO artists on the level of a Wlad or Wilder.

I strongly agree though that Fury needs to fight the Usyk-Joshua 2 winner at minimum before retiring. Anything other than that would be a horrible duck and would sabotage his legacy.

 

A 3rd Chisora fight is pointless.
I'd rather he fight Wallin, Demirezen, Sanchez, Bakole or anyone like that for a make time fight. They have already fought twice and Chisora did nothing in either fight.

I cant see even the casuals buying into this so hopefully it bombs and its the last we hear of it.

 

Jcc fought 10 times per year on his way up and had many many title defenses theres a bit of a difference here